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    #31
    [QUOTEPlease check out this thread on a sniper badge I was offered. It looks remarkably like the originally posted example.

    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...iper+bob+hritz

    Bob Hritz
    ][/QUOTE]

    The new generation of fakes, they are also taking those and adding borders on them. Still lack in design but something to be aware of.

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      #32
      Original Sniper Template from Franz Glomm, Berlin

      This is an original wartime Sniper Badge template for hand embroidery from the Franz Glomm GmbH Factory in Berlin. It came with a lot of other templates that I now have in my collection.




      Comments are welcome!



      MfG,

      Diane





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        #33
        The "Original" Sniper Badge as published in the UNiformen-Markt

        This was the announcement of the institution of the Sniper Badge award in the Uniformen-Markt. This varies greatly from the accepted design.

        One of these sold on German eBay about 2 years ago from a seller in Leipzig for over 1300 Euros!





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          #34
          Machine embroidered Sniper Badge

          Another Sniper Badge Award, this one machine embroidered like Wehrmacht Trade, Qualification and Specialty Patches (Tätigkeitsabzeichen).






          This patch came from a vet lot and is embroidered in rayon thread on grey wool felt (Abzeichentuch) which has been reinforced with a cotton mesh. The patch passes the burn test and is UV Negative.


          Comments please!




          MfG,

          Diane

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            #35
            This kind of nonsense is why there is so much confusion in this hobby....
            Willi

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              #36
              I have a 1960 article by Dr. Klietmann on the developement of the award etc. The design in post # 33 was a prototype from 1943 created by Paul Casberg that was not used. The known design was approved by Hitler and the award authorized in three grades after August 20th 1944. The article indicates that very few awards were made during the War and that the award was reauthorized to be worn by personnel in the BW in 1957. The description of the award only says "the oakleaves and the eagle's head are to be embroidered (Beide Embleme sind gestickt) "

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                #37
                What nonsense?

                Hi Willi,

                What kind of nonsense? I thought we were sharing information from period publications.


                Diane

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                  #38
                  1960 Klietman Article

                  Hi Johnny,

                  You are correct. However like a lot of unauthorized design the Badge shown in post 33 was actually made by some firm hoping to get a jump on production.

                  It is not authorized, nor do any pictures of this pattern exist showing use of such a design.

                  I posted the excerpt from the Uniformen-Markt merely to illustrate a period publication. A following issue of UM shows the approved design.


                  The hand embroidery template is indisputably original however and should indicate the original hand embroidered versions of this patch do exist.


                  Diane

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Diane View Post
                    Hi Johnny,

                    You are correct. However like a lot of unauthorized design the Badge shown in post 33 was actually made by some firm hoping to get a jump on production.

                    It is not authorized, nor do any pictures of this pattern exist showing use of such a design.

                    I posted the excerpt from the Uniformen-Markt merely to illustrate a period publication. A following issue of UM shows the approved design.


                    The hand embroidery template is indisputably original however and should indicate the original hand embroidered versions of this patch do exist.


                    Diane
                    Hello Diane, I am sure you know this but after the designs were approved- like the Army Drivers badge in cloth etc. prototypes "probes" were made and sent out to OKH Quartermaster Corps etc. for examples of what a manufactures product would look like that is probably what that was. I found a bunch or probe patches glued to factory cards in Germany about 25 years ago of all kinds of weird prototype stuff and was too stupid to know what there were.

                    "Gestickt" only indicates embroidered both by hand or machine etc. so no help there.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Diane View Post
                      Another Sniper Badge Award, this one machine embroidered like Wehrmacht Trade, Qualification and Specialty Patches (Tätigkeitsabzeichen).






                      This patch came from a vet lot and is embroidered in rayon thread on grey wool felt (Abzeichentuch) which has been reinforced with a cotton mesh. The patch passes the burn test and is UV Negative.


                      Comments please!




                      MfG,

                      Diane
                      Just a few more fakes. The top two have been offered to the reenacting community since the early 80's. $20 a piece for anyone who is interested. The botton one is a late 90's reenacting fake. Large reenacting events, such as the Battle of the Bulge in Pa each Jan, are loaded with vendors who bring in the latest fakes. Some of these items then move into the collecting market.
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                      Willi

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                        #41
                        Here is the evidence which matters IMO.

                        Note the mention of the only place on the uniform the badge (a proficieny badge like others) was to be worn. I could confirm this with at least another 6 or 7 soruces.
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                            #43
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                            Willi

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                              #44
                              The images on the bottom are also in the Article I mentioned and it was the "official design" as indicated in the text of the book as well.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Diane View Post
                                This was the announcement of the institution of the Sniper Badge award in the Uniformen-Markt. This varies greatly from the accepted design.

                                One of these sold on German eBay about 2 years ago from a seller in Leipzig for over 1300 Euros!

                                Comments Welcome.
                                This may have been one of the proposed styles, but it was never adopted. Original offical military regulations do not support that style. Nor do badges in the possession of German veterans.

                                Can he get his money back? He paid less than what most known originals cost anyhow.
                                Willi

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