Officers'Fliegerbluse Observer

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You are right. Anything in this hobby is possible and nothing is impossible. Like I have said before, I have seen period photos with some of the craziest stuff! With that being said, we collectors have things we like to see and things we do not like to see. I will never call anything a fake unless I know it is one, but there are a lot of things I might not like. Who knows... I may have passed on many things that are 100% untouched originals.

I would love to see the badge on your second tunic. Is it bullion like the first one?

regards
Paul

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[Jos L C]

Not a good answer in my opinion. If you're a moderator like it says you have to give me an answer on the "WHY NOT" thing. Not just : the eagle is late war, it's not possible on this early war Bluse, etc ... Why is it not possible Jose ? Is it not possible that he had the eagle put on later in the war ? You definitely say "NO" and that's it
I have no problem at all with the fact that it might be a made up one but tell me with prove why it's a made up one ! That's what I would like to hear.
You can understand why Richard has send it back to Paul Jarvis ? OK, tell me why ? and most of all : would you wait 4 DAYS !!! before sending it back.
I ask a lot of questions here and the only thing you can do is jamming about the fact that the eagle is not on the correct (textbook) place and the loops are too far to the right . That's all you're saying !!! What about my other remarks. For example the fact that they were not allowed to fly with metal badges on their flightblouses ?
In my opinion 80% were not altered but were used this way and were far from textbook examples.

Well, to put something straight first..

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If you're a moderator like it says you have to give me an answer on the "WHY NOT"

I HAVE to give nothing, I'm free to do so..

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the only thing you can do is jamming

Who's jamming you're saying ??

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the eagle is late war, it's not possible on this early war Bluse, etc ... Why is it not possible Jose ?

I told you and tried to explain, just read..


...and the question about flying with metal badges on jackets.., yes, they did..

Jos.

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Well, to put something straight first..

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I HAVE to give nothing, I'm free to do so..

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Who's jamming you're saying ??

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I told you and tried to explain, just read..


...and the question about flying with metal badges on jackets.., yes, they did..

Jos.

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[Leroy]

GD/LW,
Slow down a little bit.

Jos just doesn't like the layout of the eagle and badges, based on what he has come to expect. That's all. No big deal, as I think we all know there are variances. His opinion, however, is perfectly valid.

Jos is right about flying with badges. It was done all the time and there are plenty of photos of aircrew entering or exiting an aircraft wearing their badges. There are also a number of legitimate crash-excavated badges.

The eagle's backing is a bit unusual for this style of tunic, but is not disqualifying to me personally. It's my personal opinion that insignia on worn tunics, especially if worn occasionally with flight gear, was replaced from time to time. In the case of your tunic, I have already said that if the insignia was replaced, it's my opinion that it was put back in the original locations.

Jos does a very good job as Moderator and is a longtime and highly-respected Luft collector. While I may not agree with him 100% all the time (as I'm sure he does not agree with me), I certainly pay heed to what he says and give his opinions very great weight.

Just accept the fact that there are disagreements about this tunic's insignia and badge placement. None of that changes the fact that this is a real tunic with real insignia and, as Bob Hritz noted, these are increasingly difficult to find. Be glad you have one, as there are many who wish they did.

Best,
Leroy

[Jos L C]

Thanks, Leroy, much appreciated..

To illustrate the question..

Jos.

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[jacquesf]

Everybody on this forum's opinion has some weight. It is up to the opinion seeker to determine how much weight he wants to attribute to each individuals opinions and then based on that makes a decision on the item he was enquiring about. If you take the responsibility to post an item, you also have to take the responsibility to analyse the different opinions and come to a conclusion yourself. No-one is obliged to justify his opinion. Jacques

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[Jos L C]

Dream on and good luck in finding your further answers my friend and goodbye..

Jos.

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Dream on and good luck in finding your further answers my friend and goodbye..

Jos.

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[Jeff V]

In this hobby we as individuals collect what we are comfortable with. If you are comfortable with this piece that is all that matters. You have been given sound opinions on each side of the fence. Quit trying to force everyone who does not see eye to eye with you on this piece come around to your point of view. This is a discussion forum, if everyone always had the same opinions there would be no need for a forum such as this.

As far as metal badges worn on flights are concerned, they were worn regularly! To say otherwise is completely foolish.
best wishes,
jeff

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In this hobby we as individuals collect what we are comfortable with. If you are comfortable with this piece that is all that matters. You have been given sound opinions on each side of the fence. Quit trying to force everyone who does not see eye to eye with you on this piece come around to your point of view. This is a discussion forum, if everyone always had the same opinions there would be no need for a forum such as this.

As far as metal badges worn on flights are concerned, they were worn regularly! To say otherwise is completely foolish.
best wishes,
jeff

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