As far as I can see there is light oxydation between the threads.
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And to the position of the eagle: Of course it is also depending on the chest wide of the respective guy. On a jacket for a very thin man the eagle will have much less distance to the arm pit (and to the button row as well) then on uniforms of people who look like Göring ...
It has to look good when the jacket is on the wearer.Comment
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...Originally posted by RamJet View PostAnd to the position of the eagle: Of course it is also depending on the chest wide of the respective guy. On a jacket for a very thin man the eagle will have much less distance to the arm pit (and to the button row as well) then on uniforms of people who look like Göring ...
It has to look good when the jacket is on the wearer.Last edited by GD/LW; 08-15-2008, 02:46 AM.Comment
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Jan
If I may, I took a few pics of it on a mannequin that fitted it pretty much perfectly. I think this shows the position of the breast eagle very well.
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Also, from the other side.
As previously mentioned it looked like the loops for the small award (wound badge) is practically on the hip. Again, this pic shows the position quite well.
I have nothing more to add regarding the bluse and add these pics purely to illustrate.
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I've been watching this thread with interest and there have been some really good comments made.
Having collected Luftwaffe material for years and years, it's my impression that
1.) The Fliegerbluse is a real officer bluse;
2.) The insignia on it are real; when they were put there is impossible for anyone to say without a VERY close hands-on (and maybe not even then);
3.) If the insignia are replaced (a big IF), they were put back on the original positions they occupied, at least based on what I can see;
4.) The positioning of the insignia and badges, while a little unorthodox, is perfectly within the realm of what can be seen on original wartime material;
5.) Although there were certainly tailor guidelines for mounting insignia and awards, these guidelines could be virtually ignored by officers and NCO's(within reason) or confused by tailors. We have all seen the photos of the General with collar tabs sewn on backwards. This bluse is far from that extreme.
There are many collectors/ dealers with excellent sewing skills. One of the luminaries in the Luftwaffe field is well known to have "promoted more people than the Fuehrer". When this is well done, it is virtually impossible to tell. Because this bluse is for a fairly low-ranking officer, I seriously doubt if it has been "promoted".
All in all, this bluse, in my opinion, is fine and I wouldn't lose any sleep over it or waste any more time talking about it. Whatever it is to you, it will remain that way in your perception, regardless of who says what.
Best,
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The shape of a mannequin mimics a human body but almos never perfectly. When I displayed my SS Cav tunic on an adult sized mannequin it fit good almost perfect but the shoulderboards didnt sit right so I put it on a child size mannequin and they sat perfect. The chest muscles on mannequins are almost always over pronounced often stretching the pockets out to the sides. Ive seen it over and over. Not all humans have the big muscular chest even when they are in tip top shape.Comment
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Do you mean that a smaller buste would move the woundbadge from the hip to the front ?Originally posted by John Pic View Post
Guess not.., because it's above the side pocket..
I still think the eagle is misplaced, it's the wrong type eagle for this early jacket, it's on cheap felt, this was done for economic reason, meaning this is not a eagle put on from the start, that's impossible IMO and the loops for badges are misplaced...it's very obvious, no more than that..
I've no horse in the race and it are just observations made by me and I'm allowed to tell these as far as I know.
This is not negative, it it just what I see with my eyes.
There's nothing wrong with that..
If the owner is totally convinced, that's all what counts..
Jos.Last edited by Jos Le Conté; 08-12-2008, 09:12 PM.Comment
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Here is a more "usual" array on a vet-acquired tunic. Still, not exactly according to a set formula.Comment
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You are right. Anything in this hobby is possible and nothing is impossible. Like I have said before, I have seen period photos with some of the craziest stuff! With that being said, we collectors have things we like to see and things we do not like to see. I will never call anything a fake unless I know it is one, but there are a lot of things I might not like. Who knows... I may have passed on many things that are 100% untouched originals.Originally posted by GD/LW View PostIt's the eagle on this Fliegerbluse. Only the eagle is oxidized !!
There goes the definition that some of you say that everything needs to be oxidized
I would love to see the badge on your second tunic. Is it bullion like the first one?
regards
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I've been trying to tell that this late kinda eagle is not for this Fliegerbluse, but noone reacts on that ..Originally posted by GD/LW View Post
On the other hand I've to prove nothing, because it's not mine nor did I sell it to you.
You're the one who has problems with a honest answer based on what is my opinion..
It has less to do with knowledge in this case, but more the question if one would want it in this configuration.
In my experience I think that maybe 80% of these jackets have been altered saying replaced or added eagle and loops for the badges.
Not a big deal, if one don't cares.
Richard returned it and I can see why..
It is your collection, not mine.
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