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    #121
    more info ???

    Originally posted by Robert H View Post
    #85 eagle, 5k plus fees
    That beauty thing will fetch up
    its from the 4.Div 2nd Brigade ...
    Hello RH:
    Interesting Napoleon-III Model 1860 eagle.
    Any further info available? Venue & photos?
    OFW
    (below) Model 1860 details front/back.
    Attached Files
    Last edited by oldflagswanted; 09-05-2017, 08:32 PM.
    sigpic
    .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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      #122
      Its coming up on Herman Historica auction, its from their flyer.
      Starting 5k

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        #123
        Thanks !!!

        Originally posted by Robert H View Post
        Its coming up on Herman Historica auction,
        its from their flyer. Starting 5k
        RH:
        Thanks for your further info reply.
        Also thanks to WAF member Richard
        for PM on Roman Eagle sold at 30K BPS.
        OFW
        Attached Files
        Last edited by oldflagswanted; 09-06-2017, 06:14 AM.
        sigpic
        .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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          #124
          there are always items where I think I should have started to collect them staight on over 30 years ago

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            #125
            about hindsight & current buying ???

            Originally posted by Robert H View Post
            there are always items where I think I should have
            started to collect them staight on over 30 years ago
            RH:
            Yes indeed, as the old saying goes hindsight is 20/20.
            And yet some buyer remorse may still occur with this
            30K BPS said to be Ancient Roman Legion VII eagle.
            As I asked the auction house if the Roman eagle had
            been X-Ray spectrum tested for any zinc content, and
            they replied "No". If it has zinc it is a modern made fake.
            IMO it was foolish to pay 30K BPS for an untested eagle.
            OFW
            (below) Some of my eagles, & the             £30K sold Roman bird.
            For more on Roman Army Standards see WAF t=892101.
            Attached Files
            Last edited by oldflagswanted; 09-06-2017, 12:16 PM.
            sigpic
            .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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              #126
              Originally Posted by oldflagswanted

              Just received a snail mail letter from an old friend with this cited
              as contained in the book "Stalingrad: Memories & Reassessments",
              pp 96-97, "We were then advancing on Moscow almost on the
              exact route march of Napoleon. My division crossed the Berezina
              at the identical spot where the desparate battle of retreat had
              been fought so long ago. There, by the hamlet of Studyenka, not
              far from Borisov, our engineers found the traces of Napoleon's
              bridge and one of his eagles in a swamp." I wonder where this
              eagle is now?
              This pole top (M1804) of unknown regiment was found in 1963, now in Borisov Museum. It has replica cloth (hardly it belonged to 44th IR).

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                #127
                Part of Russian trophies (Hermitage, с.1962)



                Pole tops of 146th Infantry (29.08.1813, Löwenberg in Schlesien, captured by 28th Jager regiment) and 1t Cuirassir (18.10.1812, Tarutino, captured by Sysoev Don Cossac regiment). Cloth of 127th Infantry was found in 1826.

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                  #128
                  Thanks !!!

                  Originally posted by jizillii View Post
                  This pole top (M1804) of unknown regiment was found in 1963,
                  now in Borisov Museum. It has replica cloth (hardly it belonged
                  to 44th IR).
                  Thanks for posting the found M04 eagle.
                  Likewise, the 44th replica flag is superb.
                  OFW
                  (below) Photos repeated on WAF server.
                  Attached Files
                  sigpic
                  .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                    #129
                    Thanks again !!!

                    Originally posted by jizillii View Post
                    Part of Russian trophies (Hermitage, с.1962)
                    Pole tops of 146th Infantry (29.08.1813, Löwenberg in Schlesien,
                    captured by 28th Jager regiment) and 1t Cuirassir (18.10.1812,
                    Tarutino, captured by Sysoev Don Cossac regiment). Cloth of 127th
                    Infantry was found in 1826.
                    Thanks for posting the Hermitage trophies.
                    Unit identity & capture information is appreciated.
                    OFW
                    (below) Photos repeated on WAF server.
                    Attached Files
                    sigpic
                    .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                      #130
                      Originally Posted by oldflagswanted

                      Likewise, the 44th replica flag is superb
                      Unfortunately, original cloths of them lost their colors, back in the 19th century. Now they have a terrible dirty yellow color.

                      You can see the modern condition of the cloths and this vile color in this Russian-language reportage from the Kazan Cathedral:

                      https://topspb.tv/news/2016/10/6/res...ora-reportazh/

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                        #131
                        Interesting link ...

                        Originally posted by jizillii View Post
                        Unfortunately, original cloths of them lost their colors,
                        back in the 19th century. Now they have a terrible dirty
                        yellow color.
                        You can see the modern condition of the cloths and this
                        vile color in this Russian-language reportage from the
                        Kazan Cathedral: reportazh/
                        Interesting link, thanks !!!
                        OFW
                        Attached Files
                        sigpic
                        .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                          #132
                          Also I found a photo of modern condition of original 44th Infantry flag (captured in Battle of Berezina).
                          Its condition is...

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                            #133
                            Nice to see ...

                            Originally posted by jizillii View Post
                            Also I found a photo of modern condition of original
                            44th Infantry flag (captured in Battle of Berezina).
                            Its condition is...
                            Nice to see in any condition, again thanks !!!
                            OFW
                            (below) Photo repeated on WAF server.
                            Attached Files
                            sigpic
                            .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                              #134
                              Also an example of the restoration of the regimental flag (148th Infantry from Borodino Memorial).
                              It was captured by 28th Jager regiment 29.08.1813 in Battle of Plagwitz near Löwenberg in Schlesien.
                              By the end of the 19th century, original colors were lost, the fabric was dirty yellow. The cloth was restored three times - in 1912, 1956 and 1970. By restoring, the tricolor was completely renewed. The lost original elements (numbers, letters, patterns) have not been restored.

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                                #135
                                Number of eagles ???

                                Originally posted by jizillii View Post
                                Also an example of the restoration of the regimental flag (148th Infantry from
                                Borodino Memorial). It was captured by 28th Jager regiment 29.08.1813 in
                                Battle of Plagwitz near Löwenberg in Schlesien. By the end of the 19th century,
                                original colors were lost, the fabric was dirty yellow. The cloth was restored
                                three times - in 1912, 1956 and 1970. By restoring, the tricolor was completely
                                renewed. The lost original elements (numbers, letters, patterns) have not been
                                restored.
                                Thanks for the nice museum display view.
                                Interesting about the multiple restorations.
                                Wondering about the number of eagles in
                                museums vs. private collections - not many
                                likely in either case.
                                OFW
                                (below) Photo repeated on WAF server.
                                Attached Files
                                sigpic
                                .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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