100K Euro Eagle

[Adam.B]

I take my hat off you Sir

Great collection OFW, I have been thinking of buying my first Napoleonic item being a waterloo medal, not much but a start.

[oldflagswanted]

Waterloo Battle militaria ...

I take my hat off you Sir
Great collection OFW, I have been thinking of buying
my first Napoleonic item being a waterloo medal, not
much but a start.

Adam:
Thanks !!! I've seen a number of Waterloo medals on
display in museums while viewing their captured Eagles.
Such medals, with name engraved edges, indeed make
quite interesting historical militaria in that a soldiers war
service record can be researched.
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(below) Museum display of Waterloo captured eagle.
(below-2) A Waterloo battlefield found French eagle device.

[oldflagswanted]

OFW collection # 37

After my 1996 auction lost eagle (post #33 ), I was further
motivated onto new acquisitions, such as OFW #37 (post 33b),
a "L N" or "N.III" version, but in fragment half state without box.
An interesting study example of how repoussé work was done.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repouss%C3%A9_and_chasing
OFW
(below-right) Cited OFW #37 Napoleon the 3rd (1848-1871) eagle.
(below-left) Same eagle design, a repeat so sold to another collector.

[revi]

Very nice material ! I very much like the craftsmanship, saw this one for sale at an European site:

http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/antiek-e...reviousPage=lr

Appears to be a very nice 1863 model eagle from maker Cottiau.
Hope the link works .

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Cottiau maker ???

Very nice material ! I very much like the craftsmanship,
saw this one for sale at an European site: ...Appears
to be a very nice 1863 model eagle from maker Cottiau.
Hope the link works .

revi:
Thanks for the interesting Imperial French eagle link.
Sabretache, shabrack, gorget, & shako plate eagles are
indeed very nice items. Wondering if Cottiau was also a
2nd Empire flag eagle maker too?
OFW
(below) Cited link front half eagle device.
(below-2) Sabretache eagle and drawing.

[revi]

OFW, thank you (!) very much for the clear and very nice illustration, I've been searching for a illustration of the eagle in use to see where it would have been in wear, but was not able to find it until now. Very nice.
I came across this eagle by accident on an site after typing "Eagle" in the search box and I was pleasently beaten by the detail of this 150 year (?) old eagle :-). I am not collecting this material at all but I must say I still get enthousiastic by it's display and by the nice displays in this topic :-).
In the sellers accompanying text and photos I found the name of Cottiau which is also struck in the attachment pin on the back of this piece ... so I did some searching using this name Cottiau and found some pictures of a copy of a catalog dating 1863 ....
Cottiau is named as being responsible for the "cuivrerie" ( translated copper ware / copper parts production factory ) since 1835. The catalog also shows numerous drawn / sketched impressions of tunic parts as different eagle emblem designs for different branches, belts, buckles, accessories etc., really nice !
I've your interested in them I will gladly send you the pictures, if so please send me your email address via my p.m.box.
I haven't searched any further as to what more, besides the accessories, Cottiau produced so I have to leave the thought / question about the Empire flag eagle making open ...
Thanks again and best, Seth.

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Thanks !!!

...I did some searching using this name Cottiau and found some
pictures of a copy of a catalog dating 1863 ...The catalog also
shows numerous drawn ...parts ...I will gladly send you the
pictures, ...I haven't searched any further as to what more,
besides the accessories, Cottiau produced so I have to leave
the thought / question about the Empire flag eagle making open ...
Seth.

Seth:
Nice catalog pages, many thanks for the look.
OFW
(below) Like period flag eagle vs. Cottiau catalog eagle drawing.

[revi]

OFW, you're welcome .

[oldflagswanted]

Ofw #83 ...

After my 1996 auction lost eagle (post #33 ), I was further
motivated onto new acquisitions, such as OFW #83 (post 33b),
a "L N" or "N.III" version, but without box. Have seen loose
eagles offered for sale, but never just the box part listed alone.
OFW
(below-right) Cited OFW #83 Napoleon the 3rd (1848-1871) eagle.

[Leroy]

This is a wooden eagle listed as Lot 2036 in the Thies auction No. 51 this weekend.

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Thanks for the look !!!

This is a wooden eagle listed as Lot 2036 in
the Thies auction No. 51 this weekend.

Hello Leroy:
Thanks for posting that interesting auction eagle.
I wouldn't mind having it in my eagle collection.
IMO a nice replica of an ancient Roman Army eagle,
as noted in my posts #30/31 examples, this thread.
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(below) Auction eagle (on left), OFW cigarette album
card (top right) again included as a period ID reference.

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another "...I wouldn't mind having..."

...wooden eagle listed as Lot 2036 in the Thies
auction No. 51 this weekend.

OFW reply ...

...I wouldn't mind having it in my eagle collection. ...
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PS/
Another eagle "...I wouldn't mind having..." dates back to
a 1974 auction, where it sold for ~$2K USD. A Napoleonic
Model-1804 French Army Regiment example, which these
days goes for $100K+ Euros, as per this thread in post #1.
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(below) As cited auction bid lost Eagle from 1974.

[McCulloh]

I once saw a National Guard Eagle in London at "Under Two Flags", a premier militeria antique with the flag in a frame. Charles Grant had owned it and it was sold to David Chandler.
Two Department eagles got singed in the fire at Hatfield House and the flags, which were faded and rotting anyway, were destroyed.
to my knowledge TWO Roman eagles have been recovered, both believed to be Auxillery standards. one is in the British Museum and was the basis of Rosemary Sutcliffes' book, "The Eagle Of The Ninth" and the other a IXth Legion Century Standard on an island off Dalmatia. @ 1980. It was in a museum in Sarajevo, but who knows now.

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about more rare eagles...

I once saw a National Guard Eagle in London at "Under Two Flags",
a premier militeria antique with the flag in a frame. Charles Grant
had owned it and it was sold to David Chandler.
Two Department eagles got singed in the fire at Hatfield House and
the flags, which were faded and rotting anyway, were destroyed.
to my knowledge TWO Roman eagles have been recovered, both
believed to be Auxillery standards. one is in the British Museum and
was the basis of Rosemary Sutcliffes' book, "The Eagle Of The Ninth"
and the other a IXth Legion Century Standard on an island off Dalmatia.
@ 1980. It was in a museum in Sarajevo, but who knows now.

Hello McCulloh:
Great rare eagle info post, many thanks !!! I am aware of the
Sutcliffe novel inspiration superb Silchester Roman eagle in the
Reading UK Museum, and will enjoy finding out more about your
cited Dalmatia Roman Standard.
OFW
(below) The cited UK found Silchester Roman Eagle - vertical wings missing.

[McCulloh]

I heard this from an old Prof of mine, M. jones, in 1985. Apparently they had dug up remnants of a IXth legion garrison on the coast (AFTER the IXth left Britain) and found a similar eagle to the Silchester one. He said an article was in the offing, but I know no more than that...and then came the Balkan war.

Have you ever readthe old Napoleonic Flags and standards book? It has great info, second generation stuff, but explains whySir Walter Scott had the 105th Regt. Flag.