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**lammy** · 12-15-2014, 03:32 PM

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**lammy** · 12-15-2014, 03:35 PM

**oldflagswanted** · 12-15-2014, 05:11 PM

~50x85 real vs 60x95 fake ???

Originally posted by lammy View Post

Only have one.! Put actual size in inches,
but is stamped 60x95. Very similar size to
the first pattern flag in post #9 at the beginning
of this thread 33"x19" = 48.26cm x 83.82cm.
Mine is actually 57.5x95.5cm

This thread post #9 RKF measures very close to
the 50x85cm KM WW2 period spec correct size.

Your "stamped 60x95" is IMO a post WW2 fake,
based on the header marking and construction.

OFW

**lammy** · 12-15-2014, 05:30 PM

More than likely.! Think i will pass on this.!

**oldflagswanted** · 12-27-2014, 05:30 AM

#61 addition

61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, ...(3RNF)
..... OFW .....
.....

.....
(My 1st WAF Avatar)
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 12-27-14 update, real count=61+ )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.

3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
*Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
.... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
.... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
NSKOV veteran tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
DAF & NSBO tops ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849

--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
-----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
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.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
(below) 61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag (3RNF)

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**oldflagswanted** · 02-20-2015, 04:55 PM

small ttf's Fk26

Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug
end cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
..... OFW .....
.....

.....
(My 1st WAF Avatar)
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 02-20-15 update, real count=61+ )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.

3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
*Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
.... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
.... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
NSKOV veteran tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
DAF & NSBO tops ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849

--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
-----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
******************************************
.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
(below) Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)

**oldflagswanted** · 03-03-2015, 10:34 PM

SS SBF list update ...

S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
..... OFW .....
.....

.....
(My 1st WAF Avatar)
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 03-03-15 update, real count=61+ )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.

3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
*Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
.... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
.... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
NSKOV veteran tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
DAF & NSBO tops ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849

--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
-----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
******************************************
.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
(below) S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF", from t=789833.

**oldflagswanted** · 03-11-2015, 03:10 PM

#62 list addition

62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
..... OFW .....
.....

.....
(My 1st WAF Avatar)
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 03-11-15 update, real count=62+ )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.

3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
*Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
.... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
.... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag).
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
NSKOV veteran tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
DAF & NSBO tops ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849

--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
-----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
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.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
(below) 62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).

**Railgun88** · 03-27-2015, 03:42 PM

Hi Guys, I have always been curious as to the originality of this flag. Any Comments would be greatly appreciated.

Many Thanks,

RG88

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**oldflagswanted** · 03-27-2015, 04:22 PM

All 60x90's are fake !!!

Originally posted by Railgun88 View Post

... curious as to the originality of this flag.
Any Comments would be greatly appreciated.
Many Thanks,
RG88

Hello RG88:
All 60x90 marked nazi flags are modern made fakes.
This includes the posted RKF in question, listed here
under fake flag reference Fk3a. See 60x90 in search.
..... OFW ......
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**Railgun88** · 03-27-2015, 07:14 PM

Many Thanks guys! I can't even remember what I paid for it so it must have been less than $50-100.00. So, No big deal!

RG88

**oldflagswanted** · 06-05-2015, 02:35 AM

Fk7 update, OFW Post #8000

Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
..... OFW .....
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................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 06-05-15 update, real count=62+ )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.

3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
*Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
.... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
.... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag).
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
NSKOV veteran tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
DAF & NSBO tops ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849

--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
-----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
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.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........

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**oldflagswanted** · 06-17-2015, 06:05 AM

Fk4 & Fk4b additional examples.

Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
..... OFW .....
.....

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(My 1st WAF Avatar)
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 06-17-15 update, real count=62+ )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.

3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
*Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
.... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
.... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag).
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
NSKOV veteran tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
DAF & NSBO tops ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849

--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
-----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
******************************************
.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
(below) Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.

(below-2) "Real" flag example from WAF thread t=645146.

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**oldflagswanted** · 08-02-2015, 09:11 PM

Fk27 addition.

Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815512 post #7 & more.
..... OFW .....
.....

.....
(My 1st WAF Avatar)
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 08-02-15 update, real count=62+ )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.

3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
*Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
.... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
.... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag).
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
NSKOV veteran tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
DAF & NSBO tops ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849

--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
....etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815512 post #7 & more.
...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
....late 50s/early 60s... ".
-----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
******************************************
.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
(below) Fk27. Four different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
etc. ~11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815512 post #7 & t=450966 post
#1 photo, restored as original server photo was deleted.
"... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's
Club" in the late 50s/early 60s... ".

(below-2) from WAF t=450966 post #25. OFW

(below-3) from WAF t=450966 post #25b. OFW

.......

**oldflagswanted** · 08-02-2015, 11:15 PM

Fk27. "see" reference update.

Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.
..... OFW .....
.....

.....
(My 1st WAF Avatar)
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 08-02-15 update, real count=62+ )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.

3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
*Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
.... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
.... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag).
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
NSKOV veteran tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
DAF & NSBO tops ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849

--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
....etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.
...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
....late 50s/early 60s... ".
-----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
******************************************
.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
(below) Fk27. Four different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy
cardstock, etc. ~11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 &
t=450966 post #1 photo, restored as original server photo was
deleted. "... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's
Club" in the late 50s/early 60s... ".

(below-2) from WAF t=450966 post #25. OFW

(below-3) from WAF t=450966 post #25b. OFW

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