The Funkeruhr and timekeeping of communication troops

[benutzer]

thats a nice clock !!!!
like it !!!

[ROB69]

Funkuhr without Stamps

Hello Guys,

i can get this Junghans Funkuhr ?. There are no markings from Wehrmacht or Luftwaffe, only the plate with Hell. The seller tell me, it is made by the Hell Company (they produced for example the Hell Feldfernschreiber). He means Hell built during the war complete ferschreiber rooms for the Wehrmacht and they delivered for this rooms this clock. I`m not sure it is true or is a after war work. The clock looks good and if its true and the clock is so original I think its a rare piece. What`s your opinion. I hope to hear a lot of ideas.

Best Regards

Roger

[ROB69]

more Pics

Here two more Pics of the clock.

[Funksammler]

Hmmm, looks like a badly restored, sexed up clock to me. First of all, the housing has recently been repainted using a brush in a slightly odd colour, originals were spray painted. I actually doubt if the wooden housing is original to the clock at all, the inner housing of the clock is supposed to attach directly to the woodwork, but because the recess of the woodwork is too deep, they inserted a wooden ring.

A military Junghans would have all sorts of markings on the inner housing, these have been machined out postwar or it may have been a civilian postwar example to start with.

The Hell logo looks postwar (like something from the 1970's) and the story that Hell fitted out complete rooms for the Wehrmacht is total nonsense.

I think your seller is a cynical conman selling badly restored clock with a non fitting housing and a ludicrous story. Please tell him where he can shove his clock....

regards,

Funksammler

[ROB69]

Hello Funksammler,
at first thank you for your statement. I use the wrong words, he will not sell me the clock, he want to swap with me to a kleiner Feldklappenschrank. But this change nothing about the clock. It is postwar, than it is a nice clock but I`m not interested. You save me to make a bad deal, I think not, that he will cheat me, how I he have no notion about Funkeruhren. I will look, if he have some other stuff to swap. Or i stay my kleiner feldklappenschrank.

Many thanks again for your help, the WAF is the best forum for communication equipment.

Best Regards

Roger

Hmmm, looks like a badly restored, sexed up clock to me. First of all, the housing has recently been repainted using a brush in a slightly odd colour, originals were spray painted. I actually doubt if the wooden housing is original to the clock at all, the inner housing of the clock is supposed to attach directly to the woodwork, but because the recess of the woodwork is too deep, they inserted a wooden ring.

A military Junghans would have all sorts of markings on the inner housing, these have been machined out postwar or it may have been a civilian postwar example to start with.

The Hell logo looks postwar (like something from the 1970's) and the story that Hell fitted out complete rooms for the Wehrmacht is total nonsense.

I think your seller is a cynical conman selling badly restored clock with a non fitting housing and a ludicrous story. Please tell him where he can shove his clock....

regards,

Funksammler

[Funksammler]

He has no notion about Funkeruhren.... Yet he comes with a half baked story about the Hell company and like a typical conman lets you fill in the gaps in the story yourself, hoping that you will go for this "rare" variant. Sorry to be so harsch on this fellow, but I think he knows exactly what he is doing.

regards,

Funksammler

[Val]

Why should genius company like HELL manufacture so amateur and unprofessional looking logo where one edge is thinner then others and even letters don't seem equal? This company even created personal computer before IBM created it - http://www.hell-kiel.de/Produkte/ds2069.htm

Everything in this clock screams - stay away!

[ROB69]

Hello Val and Funksammler,

thanks for your opinions again. I will not swap the clock, you confirm my distrust. But Funkeruhren not my subject and possible will be all. But so my kleiner Klappenschrank stay by his 4 brothers and I will be not angry later if I had done the Deal.

Many thanks again for your help

Roger

[Anton]

Hi there !
Can someone tell me junghas Luftwaffe eigentum 1938 watch have any stamps on wood case ?
Best Anton

[Funksammler]

No, typically only Heer clocks have a Wa.A stamp on the bottom of the wooden housing.

regards,

Funksammler

[Anton]

Thank's
Regards, Anton.

[Onkelz]

Hi,
i´ve got some clocks by an old man, whos uncle worked at Junghans.
He took some clocks after war and now i was abled to buy them.
So now i have an Funkeruhr without the wood.

But i wonder, why there are no markings inside.. you wrote, that there must be markings like "Heereseigentum" or else, otherwise it is an civil post war production.
The only thing i don´t understand: the clock is painted blue-gray for Luftwaffe.
If it should be an post war production, why should they paint it in Luftwaffe color?
There where definitely no markings at the inside, that could have been removed.

I don´t have pictures now.
Do you have an idea, why this clock seems th be post war but is painted blue-gray?


Thanks
Manuel

[csmagdo]

Well, photos would definitely help...

Csaba

[Funksammler]

Initially at least, the postwar clocks were made from left over parts from wartime production. Junghans must have had some machinery and plenty of parts immediately after the war, but like everything else at the time things had to be de-militarised and de-nazified. So parts that were clearly marked (like the bakelite housing that holds the clock in it's wooden stand) had to be "cleaned up" or re-manufactured, while any unmarked parts could be re-used. If the markings in the bakelite housing are removed, you will probably see machining marks while a newly made housing would have the same surface finish all over.

regards,

Funksammler

Hi,
i´ve got some clocks by an old man, whos uncle worked at Junghans.
He took some clocks after war and now i was abled to buy them.
So now i have an Funkeruhr without the wood.

But i wonder, why there are no markings inside.. you wrote, that there must be markings like "Heereseigentum" or else, otherwise it is an civil post war production.
The only thing i don´t understand: the clock is painted blue-gray for Luftwaffe.
If it should be an post war production, why should they paint it in Luftwaffe color?
There where definitely no markings at the inside, that could have been removed.

I don´t have pictures now.
Do you have an idea, why this clock seems th be post war but is painted blue-gray?


Thanks
Manuel

[benutzer]

A bit of an update on the Koehler & Co Funkeruhren, the most elusive manufacturer of station clocks.

It appears that Koehler & Co was contracted to deliver two batches a Funkeruhren to the army, the first batch in 1940 and a second batch in 1943.

A 1940 example (l) next to a 1943 example (r), both made by Koehler & Co:

r

Köhler Laufamholz are made also 1941 clocks !!

kind regards