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[ebony]

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[90th Light]

Ok thirteen shots should do it for now plus ebony is in a hurry, does not have his best camera and it is starting to rain.

If anyone wants any more or a clearer shot of one of the blurry ones then please ask but I think their are enough there for you all to see.

This cap is just lovely officer quality and the aluminum grommets on steel washers interesting. May be that and the straight machine stitch to apply the eagle are something of a "Breslau" indicator ???,

Chris

[NZMark]

Ok Chris,
Can you please just clarify for me (I'm a bit dense) in what way do the two caps you've posted relate to the cap that started this thread?
I have had completely original m40 caps that have had no trace of a maker's mark - in one particular case in almost un-issued condition (still have that one). If the point with your tropical sidecap is 'We may find caps with no remains of a makers mark' I would agree (and a pity about the poorly re-applied insignia)
I fail completely to see the relevance of a wool cap in this thread - a photo of the grommets would have sufficed (but that's just me - anyone reading this thread would be confused in thinking this is a very broad and general discussion - not a specific query on a specific cap).
As always I look forward to your input!
CHEERS,
Mark

[90th Light]

Ok Chris,
Can you please just clarify for me (I'm a bit dense) in what way do the two caps you've posted relate to the cap that started this thread?
I have had completely original m40 caps that have had no trace of a maker's mark - in one particular case in almost un-issued condition (still have that one). If the point with your tropical sidecap is 'We may find caps with no remains of a makers mark' I would agree (and a pity about the poorly re-applied insignia)
I fail completely to see the relevance of a wool cap in this thread - a photo of the grommets would have sufficed (but that's just me - anyone reading this thread would be confused in thinking this is a very broad and general discussion - not a specific query on a specific cap).
As always I look forward to your input!
CHEERS,
Mark

Hello Mark,

I asked ebony to post the tropical sidecap to show that tropical caps do turn up without a makers mark because this is often cited as a bad sign but you have hit the nail right on the head that it can happen. Who do you think are the makers of your ones ?

The officers side cap has been posted for two reasons;

1/ The grommets are aluminum but the washers are steel. Still they are the closest which I have ever seen to the ones in the cap which started this thread.

2/ This officer cap has a makers name which is not always seen in an officer cap. Not only is it maker marked but we also have the makers location and that is in "Breslau" which was East Prussia but is now part of Poland today.

These two caps got me wondering about the examples like the one that started this thread

Does this answer your question ?

Chris

[NZMark]

It Does - Appreciated
I'll add images of the cap I mentioned later.
Mark

[90th Light]

It Does - Appreciated
I'll add images of the cap I mentioned later.
Mark

Thanks Mark,

I will enjoy seeing those and I will not be alone because as I have already stated, I have had more than one inquiry from people wanting to see such a tropical cap without a maker which is something they tell me they have not seen before.

ebony may have posted too many images of the "Breslau" officers cap but at least those reading this can see the quality of it and some images make up for the ones which are blurry. If I had just posted an image of the grommet only then many may not have understood what it was off and the significance of it,

Chris

[NZMark]

Chris,
Just walked into the sandpit and picked up two caps without maker marks. The standard m40 only has a size stamp, but I after much research I am 99% positive it's a 'Grilling & Co.' made piece, while the variant, although we know it is a Kern manufactured cap (who's stamps are definitive) and doesn't even have a size marking.
Regards,
Mark.

[NZMark]

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The '57' is clear on the standard m40 (a 1942 made cap if I'm not way off the mark).
The faint markings on the variant's lining is a handwritten name - either the man who wore it or the one who souvenired it.
Mark

[90th Light]

Thanks Mark,

If we can stay focused on the caps as you have stated, this is indeed becoming a very interesting thread with more than one "odd ball" in more than one way.

Great to see those examples you have posted,

Chris

[TONY Q.W.]

Hi Chris, very nice looking caps the last three ones you have shown! The fakers have studied good originals with or with out markings and also have copied, to their best ability, the grommets and sewing techniques. The outcome, I believe is something like the first cap at the beggining of the thread and other similar ones, in my opinion.

[Mark Gibson]

The fakers have studied good originals with or with out markings and also have copied, to their best ability, the grommets and sewing techniques. The outcome, I believe is something like the first cap at the beggining of the thread and other similar ones, in my opinion.

I agree with you completely Tony, in fact the best fakers would also be collectors with many original examples in their collections.

Mark

[jacquesf]

I agree with you completely Tony, in fact the best fakers would also be collectors with many original examples in their collections.

Mark

Agree, ..........and have written a few books. Jacques