Willi,
I see several of your comments are aimed at my comments...which is perfectly fine with me. I will be more careful now that I may be quoted and facts checked...ha ha.
My comments about berets now appearing with the black backed insignia is part jest, and part, I wouldn't put it past somebody to try. I am in agreement with you that it would be a hard to make a convincing one, even if sewn with acceptable methods and materials.
I will not mention the initials HG again unless referring to the GNDHG, which is what I'm sure you are referring to, that would most likely not have berets because of the date in which it was formed. I tend to generalize when referring to a group that changed its title a number of times. RGG, BHG, GNDHG which gets shortened to DHG, and most generally just plain old HG, which I think most collectors identify as winding up as a panzer division. I will try to be more careful about which time period I am referring to and the titles at the time. I was not implying berets were worn that late by my lapse in the timeline and proper initials use...sorry about that.
I have found two different references that state the black panzer wrap and beret was introduced with the establishment of the Panzer-Spah-Zug in late 38, as you stated earlier. Logically I would tend to think that berets worn that early would have insignia with the blue-gray or dark blue backing which were available at the time. I'm still waiting for the Luftwaffe eagle fanatics to weigh in with their expertise.
I don't think the beret came with a Heer Panzerwaffe member in late 42 since they were most likely no longer being worn. If that was the case they probably had the black backed insignia by that time...but then there is that photo posted by Chris, which I think looks a couple of years earlier than 42.
I agree with you...it is a great thread, can't wait for more pics.
Richard
I see several of your comments are aimed at my comments...which is perfectly fine with me. I will be more careful now that I may be quoted and facts checked...ha ha.
My comments about berets now appearing with the black backed insignia is part jest, and part, I wouldn't put it past somebody to try. I am in agreement with you that it would be a hard to make a convincing one, even if sewn with acceptable methods and materials.
I will not mention the initials HG again unless referring to the GNDHG, which is what I'm sure you are referring to, that would most likely not have berets because of the date in which it was formed. I tend to generalize when referring to a group that changed its title a number of times. RGG, BHG, GNDHG which gets shortened to DHG, and most generally just plain old HG, which I think most collectors identify as winding up as a panzer division. I will try to be more careful about which time period I am referring to and the titles at the time. I was not implying berets were worn that late by my lapse in the timeline and proper initials use...sorry about that.
I have found two different references that state the black panzer wrap and beret was introduced with the establishment of the Panzer-Spah-Zug in late 38, as you stated earlier. Logically I would tend to think that berets worn that early would have insignia with the blue-gray or dark blue backing which were available at the time. I'm still waiting for the Luftwaffe eagle fanatics to weigh in with their expertise.
I don't think the beret came with a Heer Panzerwaffe member in late 42 since they were most likely no longer being worn. If that was the case they probably had the black backed insignia by that time...but then there is that photo posted by Chris, which I think looks a couple of years earlier than 42.
I agree with you...it is a great thread, can't wait for more pics.
Richard
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