WSS Yellow Piped Crusher

[Lasse Kongo]

Rule out pz recon. I am pretty sure they had no panzer units in 1940.

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I am preatty sure the had!

But probably some which know can tell us so we don´t need to guess anymore

Lasse

[NTZ]

Lasse, try the axis history forum. That is where I looked. I think the first PZ Div was not until 1943.

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=491

You can look through all the oders of battle for all the Div too.

http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=50

First pz Div
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=1968

Cav
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=1969

When LAH first pz div
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=1982

[Lasse Kongo]

Lasse, try the axis history forum. That is where I looked. I think the first PZ Div was not until 1943.

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Well, both LAH and TK Divisions where panzer ones, and they where top equipped Panzer Divisions long before that, that much I know allready. I would guess that LAH got is first motorized Infantry and Pz units allready in early 1940 maybee even during 1939.

Lasse

[NTZ]

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Well, both LAH and TK Divisions where panzer ones, and they where top equipped Panzer Divisions long before that, that much I know allready. I would guess that LAH got is first motorized Infantry and Pz units allready in early 1940 maybee even during 1939.

Lasse

You better do some more reading. LAH and TK were not transformed into pz Div until well after 1940. You also might want to take note of the total strength of the SS in 1940. Not very impressive but boy do we see a lot of color pipes.

[Lasse Kongo]

You better do some more reading. LAH and TK were not transformed into pz Div until well after 1940. You also might want to take note of the total strength of the SS in 1940. Not very impressive but boy do we see a lot of color pipes.

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yes, but we know they made coloured piped WSS caps till the last day of the war. Anyone beliving they where only made during 9 month have not looked at period photos.

I know to little about the development exactly as far as comes to what Pz they had and not so I can not answer that, but they where for sure fully equipped Pz Divisions long before 1943.

Lasse

[NTZ]

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yes, but we know they made coloured piped WSS caps till the last day of the war. Anyone beliving they where only made during 9 month have not looked at period photos.

Lasse

I agree to an extent. You can certainly rule out contract caps after 1940 and private purchases would be minimal at best.

[Lasse Kongo]

I agree to an extent. You can certainly rule out contract caps after 1940 and private purchases would be minimal at best.

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It is naturally impossible to know to what extent they where used, but probably not so uncomman as many think.

Lasse

[Lasse Kongo]

In the summer of 1942, LAH had the strength of a full Pz-divison and got refitted in France. Naturally they had recon and pz units before that but not as a fully equipped Pz- division.

Lasse

[BenVK]

You two at it again?

[Lasse Kongo]

You two at it again?

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Noops, no controversy here, we just try to read

Hard enough though

Lasse

[Lasse Kongo]

Here can be seen a picture of a LAH STUG III in France 1940.

http://www.axishistory.com:80/index.php?id=1982

So I am sure they had panzer units even in smaller numbers allready when the war broke out.

Lasse

[NTZ]

In the summer of 1942, LAH had the strength of a full Pz-divison and got refitted in France. Naturally they had recon and pz units before that but not as a fully equipped Pz- division.

Lasse

1942? Two years after regs. Lasse I don’t doubt “some” officers bent the rules after 1940 but don’t use that as an excuse to justify the elusive color pipes we see everywhere. As for period photos, please direct me to these hundreds of photos of color piped visors. I have seen very, very, very few period photos of color pipes when compared to photos of white piped. In fact most I have seen have been of one or two individuals in multiple photos. Put your money where your mouth is and start a thread “color pipes in period photos” Lets see how many you can find.

[NTZ]

Here can be seen a picture of a LAH STUG III in France 1940.

http://www.axishistory.com:80/index.php?id=1982

So I am sure they had panzer units even in smaller numbers allready when the war broke out.

Lasse

What was there strength? 100, 200, 1,000?

[Lasse Kongo]

What was there strength? 100, 200, 1,000?

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Very small at that time. Probably less then 100 units totally of Stug-Pz-Recon vechicles at the start of the war, more in France.

Hey, I am guessing, someone have to know though!

Lasse

[BenVK]

Hey, I am guessing, someone have to know though!

Derek?