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    #16
    Originally posted by alone01 View Post
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    Richthofen, if I were you, I wouldn't have a M43 cap dry cleaned just because someone said on internet it was dyed! In any case, making such an attempt in identifying WW2 cloth headgear is stupid and dangerous. I feel sympathy for you.
    Thanks alone, it's just a special case, I won't do such an attempt anymore.

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      #17
      Sorry, but its fake IMO. I own 3 original panzer M43's and the details are different.
      HC

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        #18
        Without making an absolute up or down on this cap, I just find it unusual
        that the color of the stitching is so light in color.
        I would have expected a black or at least a much darker thread used in construction.

        That said, in war, you use what you have and that might have been the only thread available.

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          #19
          Not one that I would want, sorry.

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            #20
            Originally posted by sfk20 View Post

            Anyway I don't think I've seen a single Panzer M-43 that everyone has agreed about on the WAF. I'm sure it's happened, but rarely. Personally I feel like a lot of authentic ones have been cast down because when people aren't absolutely certain they cry fake. Authenticating these is a minefield.
            Very true. Opinions on these type caps are all over the place. As long as you are satisfied with it, that is all that matters.

            s/f Robert

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              #21
              Originally posted by richthofen_117 View Post
              Due to the 35mm-focus wide-angle lens, the cap looks a bit different in photos, it looks better by hand inspecting.
              You say that the cap looks a bit different in the photos than it does in hand.
              I suspect you are correct and it looks a lot different and much better in reality, aesthetically better I mean.

              So I'm curious why you posted these particular photos?

              To put it another way, would you post really ugly selfies on facebook and expect everyone to like how you look?

              I would have thought that because you cleaned the cap, you would now want to capture it in the best possible way. I'm sorry to say that your photos don't do that at all.

              Not trying to be rude here, just trying to be helpful.

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                #22
                Originally posted by BenVK View Post
                You say that the cap looks a bit different in the photos than it does in hand.
                I suspect you are correct and it looks a lot different and much better in reality, aesthetically better I mean.

                So I'm curious why you posted these particular photos?

                To put it another way, would you post really ugly selfies on facebook and expect everyone to like how you look?

                I would have thought that because you cleaned the cap, you would now want to capture it in the best possible way. I'm sorry to say that your photos don't do that at all.

                Not trying to be rude here, just trying to be helpful.
                Thank you sir for your suggestion. Here're 2 photos which taken in daylight when I broght this cap back from laundry. I didn't post them as I think the photos are not clear enough. All my photos were taken by phone, sadly I don't have camera in hand.
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                  #23
                  Phone cameras are really good these days but you have to think about the light and the background, especially with black fabric which is difficult to capture.

                  Shoot with the natural light shinning on your back, never into the light and choose a background that's not bright like a white wall for example because that will make the object too dark to see any detail (like the ones above). If you don't have a tripod, place the camera on something to keep it steady so the shot will be in focus.

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                    #24
                    As accurately addressed, the quality of your pictures needs to be improved. Until that is done, I am guardedly pessimistic about the originality of the hat.

                    B. N. Singer

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Texasuberalles View Post
                      Without making an absolute up or down on this cap, I just find it unusual
                      that the color of the stitching is so light in color.
                      I would have expected a black or at least a much darker thread used in construction.

                      That said, in war, you use what you have and that might have been the only thread available.
                      Not exactly. Light color or white stitching had ever been used in original Pz M43 caps. Here's a pic that ever posted on WAF, the cap was deemed to be good.
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by richthofen_117 View Post
                        Thank you sir for your suggestion. Here're 2 photos which taken in daylight when I broght this cap back from laundry. I didn't post them as I think the photos are not clear enough. All my photos were taken by phone, sadly I don't have camera in hand.
                        What ever they have used to clean your Panzer M43 cap seems to have had whiteners in it that now reflect light. This reflection seems to be one of the challenges for the quality of your photos and is making the cap look un-natural

                        Have you put a black light over it to since it was washed to see if the stitching or white of the roundel now glow like a light bulb ?

                        Chris

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by 90th Light View Post
                          What ever they have used to clean your Panzer M43 cap seems to have had whiteners in it that now reflect light. This reflection seems to be one of the challenges for the quality of your photos and is making the cap look un-natural

                          Have you put a black light over it to since it was washed to see if the stitching or white of the roundel now glow like a light bulb ?

                          Chris
                          Thanks Chris for your idea. I don't know if the stitching or white of the roundel will glow since I don't have black light in hand. I will try it when possible.
                          The laundry staff tell me their dry cleaning agent doesn't contain any additives, but it's inevitable that some wool would be washed off, which would make the exterior a little different. In addition, the staff confirmed that the cap is originally black, because each re-dyeing fabric would return to its original color by their washing method.
                          Last edited by richthofen_117; 03-12-2020, 02:16 AM.

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                            #28
                            Hi all, I appreciate your comments and thanks to all for taking the time. Here're some new photos taken by Photographer today in daylight. Maybe the cap is still "ugly" since it was well worn and has been washed.

                            If the cap is indeed a fake, it should be reproduced before the 70's, as the fabric is really old, not like some modern fakes I've ever seen.

                            After this, I would like to tell all collectors, do not try to dry clean any cloth items no matter they're original or not.
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