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Thank you! Well, since it was (as i mentioned in 222 thread) Willys wreck just 50 m away from this 222 “crash site” – it might be that some parts are coming from this Willys…. -
Let's see if somebody is so good to find out what this piece is
Of course I already identified it (Easy for me: I knew what was in the place where I found it!), just want to play a bit with you
I found it personally here in Italy some years ago, on the Gothic line...Comment
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The most amazing thing is the huge amount of paint still present after over 60 years!
Note how much kaki finish has survived!Comment
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At home, with some other kaki items
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Hi Ironcrown
in my opinion this item you found is the armoured ringmount in front of the turretventilation cover from a pantherLet's see if somebody is so good to find out what this piece is
Of course I already identified it (Easy for me: I knew what was in the place where I found it!), just want to play a bit with you
I found it personally here in Italy some years ago, on the Gothic line...
so you either found some more Panther parts or it came from a Gothic line Panzerstellung with Pantherturret
ciao
Bullitt
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Great!
YOU GOT IT
It's exactly what you said, the part come's from a Pantherturret that was placed on the top of the Futa pass, close to where know the german war cemetery is located. After the war the turret was scrapped, but some small piece remained in the place... for me
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Hello,
As you probably have "cleaned" the location - can you show it on the map? I guess there were 2 pantherturms - is that correct? On axishistory there is a thread where I played with old pictures trying to fit it to the location.
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Very cool about the Pantherturm armour, nice find!
Hi Herring.
Here's the link to the Pantherturm that I located in the lower area of the Futa Pass and the photos that Herring superimposed on Google Earth screengrabs.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...6445&start=165
I too would like to know the location of the second PT.
Cheers,
Tom.Comment
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If it's this turret, it's not a ventilation armoured ringmount - in this version ventilation hole wasn't placed on the top of the roof, it was placed beneath the turret baseplate. It seems to be a armoured ringmount of main hatch.Comment
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Herring,
Although most did not have the turret roof extractor some of those fitted as PT's did have the roof fan.
For example, the photos below have the extractor fan and armour crescent.
The armoured ring that surrounds the basic, low profile PT hatch actually goes all the way around the hatch except for the hinge area. It is also welded in place and not bolted.
Tom.
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Hello,
Simply ausf. D and ausf A turrets had ventilation on the roof, festung version (Panther-Ostwallturm) did not have it.
You are right about ring around Ostwallturm hatch - it's welded - I didn't check pictures before.
It means, that element shown above is from another turret, what proves that there were 2 turrets! Apparently another turret was D or A version.
Although, according to Jentz & Doyle drawings, there should be 7 bolts, not 5 as it is in the sample. I guess the element is broken?Last edited by herring; 05-12-2011, 05:51 PM.Comment
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Herring,
Oh, I see what you were saying, you were refering to the PT in my link.
I didn't realise this and was just saying, in general terms, that there were many subtle differences from one PT to another. The two PT's at Futa no doubt had different turrets, the lower specifically for a PT and the higher up PT taken from tank production.
It's definately not the PT in my link as Ironcrown said the second PT was up by the German cemetary
Cheers,
Tom.Comment
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New Panzer Tracks added to the collection
Panther and Panzer 1.
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Herring, out of curiosity: What hapened to the Ostwallturm found some years ago in Poland while working on a railway? It was fairly complete and untouched , even with live ammo still inside. I hope Polish restorers have made such a fine work as they´ve done with the StuG IV.Originally posted by herring View PostComment
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Being stored in military area in Czarne; it was under a sort of restoration (sand blasting + painting with non-historical colours). It still needs a solid piece of restoration, including fixing the gun carriage (badly bended). I guess it will be transfered in future to a new made museum in Stettin.Comment
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