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    #31
    Originally posted by ErichS View Post
    One other difference between my example and the other is that the F and U touch on my badge where there is a space between the letters on the other posted silver badge.

    In fact, there is much more spacing of the lettering on the posted example then on mine. Also, the lettering style seems different as well for example the letter R in the word Fur.
    Hi Erich and thanks for showing your badge!

    My badge shown is part of an unnumbered set (number has been scratched by hand and not stamped). There are known examples of both numbered and unnumbered pieces (For example Detlev Niemann used to sell several not shown here and has them in his price catalogs)

    My theory is that my piece could well be a replacement piece that was not part the initial run and the dies could be different for the later run explaining differences and we would need to make a comparison to other unnumbered pieces.

    If the theory that my piece is a cast fake from original pieces shown here would be right, there should not be such obvious differences in lettering and spacing, only materials and casting bubbles.

    Best Regards,

    Adren
    Last edited by adren; 06-18-2013, 05:16 AM.

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      #32
      Originally posted by ErichS View Post
      One other difference between my example and the other is that the F and U touch on my badge where there is a space between the letters on the other posted silver badge.

      In fact, there is much more spacing of the lettering on the posted example then on mine. Also, the lettering style seems different as well for example the letter R in the word Fur.
      Erich makes some valid points.

      Here is my badge to compare. Craig also shows it in his book. The silver finish also has an over lacquer.

      Stan
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        #33
        Stan,

        your badge is the twin of mine and thanks for posting it.

        In every reference book that I own the badges pictured match exactally the badges that Stan and I have posted.
        Last edited by ErichS; 06-18-2013, 07:14 AM.

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          #34
          Originally posted by ErichS View Post
          One other difference between my example and the other is that the F and U touch on my badge where there is a space between the letters on the other posted silver badge.

          In fact, there is much more spacing of the lettering on the posted example then on mine. Also, the lettering style seems different as well for example the letter R in the word Fur.

          I don't know if that is the case here Erich. Look again at the reverse of yours and those displayed, and mine here.



          Notice how the top horizontal of the F merges into the umlaut U, but there is a bit of distance between the lower horizontal and the U. That is consistent with almost all the badges shown here.

          CG's Gau badge book lists four different weights of these badges: bronze, gold, silver 1 and silver 2. Mine is a "800" marked badge and weighs in at 12.4 gms. I think that is a key point to this discussion. I use a small pocket jewelry scale that I bought many years ago for myself and Don Bible when we were analyzing Police Warrant Discs. It is a great assistance in discussing awards. Most European texts provide weights of medals under discussion.
          Last edited by JoeW; 06-18-2013, 09:01 AM.

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            #35
            Joe,

            The top horizontal of the F on mine merges with the U and there is a small space on the small horizontal of the F which matches up with your badge when viewing the badge from the reverse.
            Last edited by ErichS; 06-18-2013, 09:26 AM.

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              #36
              hello i have number 874 which is stamped and de hase fee also has the same number but engraved.i think his is a replacement as the hook on mine is worn and distorted.hopefully i will be able to post pictures of mine shortly

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                #37
                Originally posted by ErichS View Post
                Joe,

                The top horizontal of the F on mine merges with the U and there is a small space on the small horizontal of the F which matches up with your badge when viewing the badge from the reverse.
                Correct. And I view the others posted as having the same characteristics. Weight is a telling factor I think.

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                  #38
                  pins

                  Originally posted by JoeW View Post
                  Weight is a telling factor I think.
                  Some of the pins are different (shapes + lengths). That might distort the true weight on a badge. Especially since they're so light to begin with. The size however should be very close for all of them. Well- the stamped ones anyways.
                  As far as the die characteristics- they might vary somewhat on a hollow pressed badges (look at 1931 SA Treffen badge and different 'thickness' of letters). Since some might appear 'thicker' that might distort the viewers impression on minute details like spacings between the lettering
                  I applaud Adren's decision to share the measurements of his pin and I am rather surprised that he is the only one who decided to come forward with that info.
                  Matt

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                    #39
                    Not that this is ever an absolute indicator of authenticity, but Stan and Erich's badges seem to have a much higher level of quality in their manufacture.
                    Richard V

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                      #40
                      I will provide the measurements to my Thuring badge. The height is 40mm. The width, from the leading edge of the left wing to the lower right of the eagle's body is 48mm. The thickness of the badge is 1mm.

                      These measurements are consistent with Adren's. As he pointed out in his posting, the height of his badge is 40mm.

                      Adren's second picture depicting the width shows 46mm, but he says that measurement is off by 2mm.

                      His actual width should be 48mm.

                      Therefore, the measurements of these birds are 40mm x 48mm.

                      I will provide the weight in another post. I don't have the badge with me to weigh at this time.

                      How about some other measurements and weights, guys? I've shown you mine, let's see your's.
                      Last edited by Gary Symonds; 06-18-2013, 03:17 PM.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Gary Symonds View Post
                        I will provide the measurements to my Thuring badge. The height is 40mm. The width, from the leading edge of the left wing to the lower right of the eagle's body is 48mm. The thickness of the badge is 1mm.

                        These measurements are consistent with Adren's. As he pointed out in his posting, the height of his badge is 40mm.

                        Adren's second picture depicting the width shows 46mm, but he says that measurement is off by 2mm.

                        His actual width should be 48mm.

                        Therefore, the measurements of these birds are 40mm x 48mm.

                        I will provide the weight in another post. I don't have the badge with me to weigh at this time.

                        How about some other measurements and weights, guys? I've shown you mine, let's see your's.

                        Hi Gary, now measuring it for several minutes with my roll,

                        its 40mm x 48mm +/- 1mm error marginal both ways.

                        Best Regards,

                        Adren

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                          #42
                          Gau Thuringen

                          Thanks for the info Gary. Much appreciated.
                          Adren- is it possible to throw the measure tape on the back of the badge- this way you won't have to "wrap it" to get more accurate reading edge to edge.
                          Thank You again Gentlemen.
                          cheers
                          Matt

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                            #43
                            Its 48mm x 40mm (0,5mm error marginal, cant do better with this roll)

                            Photos tilted (cant take straight pictures but measured accurately by hand)

                            these are the measures same with Gary.

                            Best Regards,

                            Adren
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                              #44
                              Gau Thuringen

                              Once again- thank you kindly for your efforts. I am hoping to have my badge in hand in a few days and will post my findings then along with close ups and measurements.
                              cheers
                              Matt

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by transvision View Post
                                hello i have number 874 which is stamped and der hase fee also has the same number but engraved. i think his is a replacement as the hook on mine is worn and distorted. hopefully i will be able to post pictures of mine shortly
                                Here are pictures of mine. Number is stamped (sorry, Martin, I was mistaken). Compares in the details discussed here with Erich's and Stan's. Also shown in Craig's book. I agree with Joe that we should add weight to the discussion.



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