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**Richard** · 05-01-2013, 09:15 PM

My next question would be, would badges from this period that are plated receive the plating before or after pin attachment? It seems in many cases of other tinnie type badges attaching the pin with some type of solder may have been the last part of the process.
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**Matthew** · 05-01-2013, 09:25 PM

50/50

Originally posted by Richard View Post

My next question would be, would badges from this period that are plated receive the plating before or after pin attachment? It seems in many cases of other tinnie type badges attaching the pin with some type of solder may have been the last part of the process.
Richard V

IMO 50/50. I have some tinnies that had the paint/plating/gilding applied on top of solder. They are dime a dozen items so I suspect it was done during original production process.
cheers
Matt

**Martin Stiles** · 05-02-2013, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by Matthew View Post

Judging by what looks like plating on top of solder it was likely done after pin assembly. It should be VERY easy to figure out having the badge in hand if it was plated long after it left Deschler's workshop.
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Matt

As both Jon fish and myself already stated, the badge in hand, is as indeed
you say VERY easy to determine, and was gold from the factory beyond any doubt.
The owner was a very early NSDAP member Oct 1923, and following a spell in Landsberg jail for his part in the putsch re-joined in June 1926, GPB 40089 also BO number 501.
I was rather hoping for any further thoughts or theories as for the standing of the Gold badge..........

Cheers, Martin

**JoeW** · 05-02-2013, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by Martin Stiles View Post

As both Jon fish and myself already stated, the badge in hand, is as indeed
you say VERY easy to determine, and was gold from the factory beyond any doubt.
The owner was a very early NSDAP member Oct 1923, and following a spell in Landsberg jail for his part in the putsch re-joined in June 1926, GPB 40089 also BO number 501.
I was rather hoping for any further thoughts or theories as for the standing of the Gold badge..........

Cheers, Martin

Given the provenance established by Jon and Martin, I think the most logical scenario would be a special run commissioned by Munich for those original participants who were to be at the first celebration. The city would have prepared something special for those celebrated attendees. Perhaps there is some mention in the newspaper account that provided the proper identification of this celebrated tinnie.

**Jon Fish** · 05-02-2013, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by JoeW View Post

Given the provenance established by Jon and Martin, I think the most logical scenario would be a special run commissioned by Munich for those original participants who were to be at the first celebration. The city would have prepared something special for those celebrated attendees. Perhaps there is some mention in the newspaper account that provided the proper identification of this celebrated tinnie.

Joe, this is more along my thinking also. In hand this is a very special piece, maybe there are more out there and that was one of the reasons for posting.

**ErichS** · 05-02-2013, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by JoeW View Post

Given the provenance established by Jon and Martin, I think the most logical scenario would be a special run commissioned by Munich for those original participants who were to be at the first celebration. The city would have prepared something special for those celebrated attendees. Perhaps there is some mention in the newspaper account that provided the proper identification of this celebrated tinnie.

Joe,

I would have to include the rare solid back version with the military style pin.

**der-hase-fee** · 05-04-2013, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by martin stiles View Post

as both jon fish and myself already stated, the badge in hand, is as indeed
you say very easy to determine, and was gold from the factory beyond any doubt.
The owner was a very early nsdap member oct 1923, and following a spell in landsberg jail for his part in the putsch re-joined in june 1926, gpb 40089 also bo number 501.
I was rather hoping for any further thoughts or theories as for the standing of the gold badge..........

Cheers, martin

40098

**der-hase-fee** · 05-25-2013, 08:36 AM

Not sure this picture has been posted before, quite impressive IMO.

**Br. James** · 05-25-2013, 11:35 AM

Your opinion is quite in agreement with my own, Andreas! Many thanks for sharing this with us!

Br. James

**Military** · 09-20-2013, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Jim's Militaria View Post

A little OT but, which Deschler maker mark is more common "DESCHLER U SOHN MUNCHEN" or "DESCHLER & SOHN MUNCHEN"?

Well I might have missed a post or two, but can someone tell us / clarify why there were two types of Deschler markings?

Mil

**Matthew** · 12-26-2013, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by Military View Post

Well I might have missed a post or two, but can someone tell us / clarify why there were two types of Deschler markings?

Mil

There are more than two Deschler markings on those.

cheers
Matt

**Jo Rivett** · 12-26-2013, 08:01 AM

..nothing new here....

Originally posted by Bob Hritz View Post

John,
That wonderful stickpin set my old heart fluttering.
Bob Hritz

A garden variety sympathy stickpin is shown alongside a garden variety festabzeichen - and it`s a set? The stickpin has nothing whatsoever to do with the festabzeichen.

Originally posted by ErichS View Post

Joe,

I would have to include the rare solid back version with the military style pin.

How can a private conversion-addition be called a "rare version"? Where is the proof that this conversion was done in 1935 or 1995?
Even after period proof, so many doubting Thomas`s on this thread - why? Well that ones easy to figure out, lots of money was paid for these, lots of crap has been published about them too... so in order to keep that investment, the "special" status needs to be upheld.

Best to get a mod to delete the VB image hey, and make no more mention of it, that way it will be easier to toss opinions around, and who knows, with a few clever posts from certain people, you may even be able to raise the value of these - commonly found, festival tinnies - even more.

**Matthew** · 12-26-2013, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by JHow can a private conversion-addition be called a "rare version"? Where is the proof that this conversion was done in 1935 or 1995?
Even after period proof, so many doubting Thomas`s on this thread - why? Well that ones easy to figure out, lots of money was paid for these, lots of crap has been published about them too... so in order to keep that investment, the "special" status needs to be upheld.

Best to get a mod to delete the VB image hey, and make no more mention of it, that way it will be easier to toss opinions around, and who knows, with a few clever posts from certain people, you may even be able to raise the value of these - [I

commonly found[/I], festival tinnies - even more.

Those that know me know I'll be the first one to dispute this pin's ''Gau Badge" moniker. It cheapens the rest of the Gau Awards chapter of this hobby in more ways than one.
Having said that- a "private conversion-addition" of this pin is called that for a very simple reason- some of the 'converted' pins Erich mentions are maker marked. Keeping in mind who the maker was and lack of their "made for souvenirs" activity in the immediate post war I think it is easy to assume that:
-they were factory made
-made before 1945
No one knows why they exist although there are a few theories as mentioned on this thread.
Yes, they are common tinnies but be it because of lack of understanding over the first 6 decades after the war of their true purpose or because of its rather attractive design they still bring good $$ which is not uncommon for some pins, some even common tinnies.
As with other pins- there are the common, made by the thousands version and the less common ("presentation variety"- and I use the term loosely as I simply can't prove what they were made for or whom). I see no reason to call them 'home-made' conversions or made post 45.

cheers
Matt

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**jabnus** · 12-26-2013, 01:29 PM

I would like to see the topic name changed and these to be further refered to as the Munich Festabzeichen. These are still way to often called a Gaubadge, whereas they are a tinnie, and also one that is not that rare at all.

Regarding the solid version, wether it is original wartime converted or not, i prefer the "normal" version. How long will it take the fakers to start producing or altering originals to gain a few bucks more?

bedt regards,
Gaston

**Jo Rivett** · 12-26-2013, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by jabnus View Post

I would like to see the topic name changed and these to be further refered to as the Munich Festabzeichen.

I agree Gaston, and am with Patzwall on this one:
den „Gau München“ gab es ebenso wenig wie ein entsprechendes Erinnerungsabzeichen. Es handelt sich um das Fest- / Spendenabzeichen zum 9. November 1933 in München, das von jedermann für einen bestimmten Betrag erworben und getragen werden konnte.

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