Horse Plaques and Badges

[lakesidetrader]

Anyone seen this one before?
http://www.lakesidetrader.com/pics/m-1331d.jpg

[Brian S]

Anyone seen this one before?
http://www.lakesidetrader.com/pics/m-1331d.jpg

Post-war miniature, I believe, no "R".

[lakesidetrader]

Many thanks Brian, never ceases to amaze me the dept of knowledge here.
paul

[naxos]

Here's the one I was telling you about that the lettering is very faint, the badge is larger slightly than the Lauer, and exactly the same size as the S&L;

Brian, I believe this to be a post-war manufactured badge by Steinhauer&Lück

... its not so much the poor details on the back of the badge - it's the material it is casted in, as well as the pin set-up that makes me believe it is a post-war production. In that, the badge is identical to some post-war Reiter and Fahrerabzeichen w/o the ®.

I do not believe that it is a fake - I believe however, that it may be an post-war-production badge by Steinhauer & Lück (perhaps they made some with and the rest w/o the ® ?).


------------- post-war Fahrerabzeichen --------------------------------------- Reiterabzeichen with (R)




A post-war Reiterabzeichen with similar needle set-up as the above







... so far I have only encountered war-period Steinhauer $ Lück Reiter and Fahrerabzeichen made out of zinc.

Here is an example:




Find more here: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopi...abzeichen&st=0

[Brian S]

Could be, but I don't think so. Not exactly a postwar 'relic' to be cherished by GIs, no Swastikas. I think conversely it's just the zinc on the reverse fading away or a weak strike. But don't worry, I won't sell to you so you don't have to worry.

[naxos]

Could be, but I don't think so. Not exactly a postwar 'relic' to be cherished by GIs, no Swastikas. I think conversely it's just the zinc on the reverse fading away or a weak strike. But don't worry, I won't sell to you so you don't have to worry.

I'm not worried ... just trying to help.

Here are two more post-war Abzeichen similar to yours with the same needle-set-up and weak back stamping.

[Brian S]

Anyone can call any S&L postwar, that's the nature of it, I tend to think otherwise on the sport badges w/o Swastikas. Weak strike is exactly what it is, weak strike. Why strike weak postwar?

Here's another, nice solid strike, makes it wartime because it's a nice strike?

[naxos]

Anyone can call any S&L postwar, that's the nature of it, I tend to think otherwise on the sport badges w/o Swastikas. Weak strike is exactly what it is, weak strike. Why strike weak postwar?

Here's another, nice solid strike, makes it wartime because it's a nice strike?

War time, yes ... but not because of the difference in the striking ... it is the difference in material and the needle set up (needle block, needle and catch) that identifies the one you show above as produced between 1942 and 1945.

[Brian S]

The weak strike is also zinc. If you study wartime badges you'll discover pin and hinge and catch setups do change over time. It's not a definite determinent.

But, anyone can always slam any S&L product that doesn't meet certain requirements and you may be right, I just don't think these badges rise to the occasion of postwar production.

In fact, the Reiter series continued after the war with the "R". So S&L had a ready market for their "R"less version. I'm not a fan of S&L for the very reason of postwar production, but I just don't think these rise to the occasion of demand... If you can find these in their postwar price lists then I'll have to agree, if not, you're throwing out a red herring.

[naxos]

Have a look a this one.

A rather weak strike on the back but war-time manufacture according to needle-set-up and material.

[naxos]

Brian, I have two like yours (with the weak striking an post-war neddle set-up) I like them they are very crisp.
Here is one of mine


I do not believe that they are fake. The Zentralkommission that replaced the old Reichsverband für Zucht und Prüfung deutschen Warmbluts was created in 1950 and the awarding of Reiter and Fahrerabzeichen continued.

Steinhauer und Lück supplied the new awards. There was no legal obligation to remove the (R). The R on the badges was discontinued because it no longer was called Reichsverband. But one could still buy Badges with the R from Steinhauer after the war.

Have you had a look at the link I posted above?

Regards, Hardy

[Brian S]

Yes Hardy and thank you. I want to review some of the postwar sheets that Dietrich has and see if the 'R' Reichsverband badges were on the list. I just wouldn't comdemn as postwar until you know more. Weak strike isn't a condemnation.

[naxos]

Yes Hardy and thank you. I want to review some of the postwar sheets that Dietrich has and see if the 'R' Reichsverband badges were on the list. I just wouldn't comdemn as postwar until you know more. Weak strike isn't a condemnation.

Agreed!

Good to see someone else interested in these great badges!



Here is the 1974 edition of a training and preparation book for the Reiterabzeichen exam.

note the (R)



Here is the 1978 edition of the same book

[tgn]

Yes Hardy and thank you. I want to review some of the postwar sheets that Dietrich has and see if the 'R' Reichsverband badges were on the list. I just wouldn't comdemn as postwar until you know more. Weak strike isn't a condemnation.

Weak strike, no, but post war pin and catch is a solid condemnation.

Sorry, but they are post war for sure..

Tom

[Brian S]

I'm not so sure... Not if zink is wartime...




1974 is the date for the current edition and not just a reprint from the 40's???