AH flatware

[all1knew]

Wooow, what a nice find! Wasnt there stories of findings in the cellar of the Brown house? Or close?
Salt shakers are especially nice!

Cheers
//Felix

correct. It's somewhat a loss in translation situation but the Vet's letter stated he obtained the pieces in Munich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_House,_Munich

this building was bombed almost to oblivion and the basement is where this silverware came out of. The Führerbau was right next door and this is where State dinners were held but I believe they kept the service stuff in the basement of the next door. Those are the only two places in Munich which held the formal pattern from what I've gathered.

William Kramer

[Felix]

Villeroy & Boch is an exception and one of very few where you can find an “ Export Mark “ utilized on a domestic offering, inclusive of official and commercial sales.

I found out that as well when I did a more thorough search and investigated the various maker marks of Villeroy & Boch items. One can compare with the information I posted above - which explains and confirms the "Made in Germany" together with their mercury logo from 1935 - 1945. In fact they had many items marked with the logotype and "Made in Germany" already well before 1900 or "made in Saar-basin" if it was made in the Mettlach factory. One may read on Villeroy & Bochs own site and their history description, "Export markets are opened" and when opening the Dresden facility in 1856 - they realised that tomorrows market was export to other countries. https://www.villeroyboch-group.com/e...s/history.html


Cheers
//Felix

[J. Wraith]

correct. It's somewhat a loss in translation situation but the Vet's letter stated he obtained the pieces in Munich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_House,_Munich

this building was bombed almost to oblivion and the basement is where this silverware came out of. The Führerbau was right next door and this is where State dinners were held but I believe they kept the service stuff in the basement of the next door. Those are the only two places in Munich which held the formal pattern from what I've gathered.

William Kramer

Hope you got a screaming deal because their soft, and HH is coming forward with 300-500 pieces of it in their auctions. I recommend selling it fast because that will pressure market even more. Im sure you knew that though.

[J. Wraith]

I found out that as well when I did a more thorough search and investigated the various maker marks of Villeroy & Boch items. One can compare with the information I posted above - which explains and confirms the "Made in Germany" together with their mercury logo from 1935 - 1945. In fact they had many items marked with the logotype and "Made in Germany" already well before 1900 or "made in Saar-basin" if it was made in the Mettlach factory. One may read on Villeroy & Bochs own site and their history description, "Export markets are opened" and when opening the Dresden facility in 1856 - they realised that tomorrows market was export to other countries. https://www.villeroyboch-group.com/e...s/history.html


Cheers
//Felix

Felix,

Appreciate the link and will have a look, I took the long road to figure it out but there are some new pieces and that site may answer some questions.

[Br. James]

I agree with Mike/Berghof: "Your set is legit." The salt & pepper shakers are very nice and rare, also. As for the location of these pieces in post-war Munich, there could only be the storage rooms beneath the Brown House, which also linked via an underground tunnel system with the Führerbau and the Party Administration Building, and there is also Hitler's apartment on Prinzregentenplatz, where he occasionally entertained foreign dignitaries...though that location would not be understood to be "a two-block long underground beer garden!"

Br. James

[Berghof]

I know this isn't Hitler's silverware, but I'm sure all that follow this thread will appreciate. I just acquired this beautiful set of Reichsbahn silverware. It's from train 10243 and one plate from 10241, Hermann Goering dinning cars. I'm sure this set got good use!

I rarely come across these types of items from the trains: Coffee Pot, Tea Pot, Sugar Bowl, Gravy Boat, Champagne Flutes and Plates.

Just when you least expect it, this falls out of the sky. This hobby never gets old for me. Love the history behind this stuff. It looks like this was in as found condition, never cleaned. I always have this dilemma, to clean or not to clean. I always err on the side of not cleaning, but as you can see, it's really tarnished.


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[SiPo]

Bravo Sir, bravo.

Nothing wrong with a gentle clean in my book.

[Berghof]

Bravo Sir, bravo.

Nothing wrong with a gentle clean in my book.

Thank you. I agree with the gentle clean.

[Br. James]

I also agree with a "gentle cleaning" of these pieces.

Br. James

[Berghof]

I also agree with a "gentle cleaning" of these pieces.

Br. James

Thanks James! Your input is always valued.

[Br. James]

It's a pleasure, my friend!

Br. James

[Berghof]

Here's another neat piece that came with the set. It's an individual drip coffee maker that attaches to the top of a coffee cup. Although it doesn't have the DR & party eagle on the side, it does have the Bruckmann locomotive hallmark and the 243 stamp on the bottom. I haven't come across another one of these...very unique.


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[Br. James]

I agree, Mike: This is an unusual piece. Presumably this DR piece is silver-plated. The #243 indicates that this particular piece was made for the second of two dining cars/wagons produced for Hermann Göring.

Br. James

[Berghof]

I agree, Mike: This is an unusual piece. Presumably this DR piece is silver-plated. The #243 indicates that this particular piece was made for the second of two dining cars/wagons produced for Hermann Göring.

Br. James

Correct James. While his dining car 241 was being modernized in 1941, he used 243 as his primary dining car.

After the war, wagon 243 ended up in America's possession where 241, 242 and 244 ended up with the British. When it comes to DR pieces, that would probably explain why I've mainly come across 243 examples from Veterans estates.


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[Br. James]

"When it comes to DR pieces, that would probably explain why I've mainly come across 243 examples from Veterans estates."

That makes sense, Mike.

Congrats,

Br. James