3 Deutscher Orden in one lot!!!!! Rarest of The Rare

[Gary Symonds]

Shown in Dr. Doehle's book, 1945 edition. Colour illustration.

Thank you.

[redfaced]

Very interesting thread gents

[Gary Symonds]

Thank you.

Robin:
I own an original of the 1943 edition and knew that there was a 1945 edition. I assume it has been reprinted. Can you tell me who has the 1945 reprint for sale, or provide the ISBN #? Thanks.

[Robin Lumsden]

Robin:
I own an original of the 1943 edition and knew that there was a 1945 edition. I assume it has been reprinted. Can you tell me who has the 1945 reprint for sale, or provide the ISBN #? Thanks.

I think you can get copies through Rex Reddick.

The 1945 reprint is well worth getting...................has a lot of 1944-45 stuff in it that was (obviously) missing from the 1943 edition.

[Gary Symonds]

I think you can get copies through Rex Reddick.

The 1945 reprint is well worth getting...................has a lot of 1944-45 stuff in it that was (obviously) missing from the 1943 edition.

Robin: I checked the Reddick website and he only has the 1943 reprint. Could you tell me where your 1945 reprint? How about the ISBN number, that would help.

[WARLORD]

The ISBN 3-931533-13-3, is the one for the Doehle 1945. I hope this helps.

[Gary Symonds]

The ISBN 3-931533-13-3, is the one for the Doehle 1945. I hope this helps.

Warlord:
Thank you for the reference. However, when I Google the number it leads nowhere. In fact Google brings up out forum thread. The sites for ISBN numbers come up with nothing. Where did you purchase the 1945 edition?

[WARLORD]

I have no recollection of were it came from. it seems on chequing that there might be an incorect number on the back. Inside it has 3-931533-43-3

[Robin Lumsden]

Robin: I checked the Reddick website and he only has the 1943 reprint. Could you tell me where your 1945 reprint? How about the ISBN number, that would help.

You can buy it here...............

http://www.amazon.de/Auszeichnungen-.../dp/3931533433

[SiPo]

g. hanson:
I am still asking that question and nobody can answer it. Can you?

Actually, no! However, my ability to do so was never in question. I merely reiterated a question posed by "Warlord."

I also asked a simple question myself which remains unanswered which matters not, as the answer is quite evident.

[WARLORD]

IF Ii MAY BE SO BOLD, I could think that one of the posters is looking for things that are not there. First in the thread, the Souval copy is clearly shown. This is attributed to sam steel. Roudolf Souval has do the picture posting. This piece is now on the e-stand. OK - Souval copy.

The next piece is who made the original pieces? The order and this is in Dohler, is that it was from the Chancellry. This is backed up by the information from the Ludenshied Musseum.

The pictures from the varrious books show the form that is the original. Photos show distortions. These can look like varriations. I come back to my original question, has our colugue had the pieces in hand to evaluate?

Armed with these point, we return to the 1945 Dohler, here he clearly states that the one with laurel and swords is for those who have died. He also gives their names. The living recipients are not mentioned.


Dr Horsted, the Museum director in 1979 staited that the pieces were cast to order. One firm, not mentioning names, to sensative were the producers.

Thus we have as much information as is avalable. Souval was not an accredited producer. Albeit, they had the liecence to produce the Gau Warthland and the dress copy of the Arts and Sciences. Strange liecences, but that which was given. To move from the coar therad, the Gau Warthland may well not be a Gau badge in the thought of others, but a more important award for the Eastern Territorys, thus the award with diamonds.

[Mark Costa]

I might point out that the 1945 Edition of Doehle's book was published BEFORE any living recipients were presented with the award. Hence we have no way of knowing what the others received other than unsubstantiated reports.

Hierl's award citation matches word for word the same wording for Todt's award. Based on that, we can ASSUME he received the First Class in its highest grade. But as Hierl's award has never surfaced and there are no photos of him wearing it -- we will never know for sure if it was the same class of medal that appears on Todt's funeral pillow.

Hanke and Holz' awards only state "the Golden Cross of the German Order". Is this the second class neck cross? the Pin Back Version? There is only one telling reference in the April 1945 Goebbels Diaries that state that Hanke " received the German Order and is the second living German after Hierl, though in a lower grade" !!! Meaning Hanke was awarded a lower class than Hierl was.

Axmann's award was seen by several bunker witnesses and all state he wore it around his neck. Is this the first class, second class? The Soviet Archives has interviews with both Otto Guensche and Heinz Linge where they refer to Axmann's award as a SECOND CLASS German Order.

Just a little FYI for all here.

Mark Costa

[Gary Symonds]

German Orders

Warlord:
Again you tell us about a letter from someone in 1979, proving the Deumer had an exclusive on the German Order. Well, post it so we all can see the evidence. I have requested this many times. Please provide it.

[WARLORD]

Mark, as to the grades this has always been a problem to work out, but if you follow the known writing it leeds to the conclusion of the three grades. Also in Doehler it states to the dead. Another interesting point is that the cross with laurel leaves and swords, has a suspesion that would at best be very difficult to wear. Also the method of attachment is very delicate and again unlikly to allow wear, where as the othere grades have a more robust suspention. Also these would sit round the neck.

Dear matovsky I note your request, but as said before I can not post on this forum. The information will be included in a new book.

[Jon. H]

Is there a photo that shows this Award in wear? Not only on funeral
pillows but hanging around someone's neck?

Jon-Olav