Panzermänner

[Richard P]

Jacques and Bill,

Actually the early panzer man has insignia on his beret embroidered with white cotton (notice it's whiteness) with a metal cockade, it is heavy embroidery and can look like bullion because of it's heaviness in period photos. The cap eagle is an early bevo which was added later to the beret.

Brilliant photos by the way, thanks for sharing them!

Richard

[12thPanzer]

Hey thanks richard....that makesmore sense. But i certainly was convinced it was bullion after jacques noticed it. Its very hard to tell the difference in this portrait. Thanks for taking the time to further examine my friend

[Richard P]

Hey thanks richard....that makesmore sense. But i certainly was convinced it was bullion after jacques noticed it. Its very hard to tell the difference in this portrait. Thanks for taking the time to further examine my friend

Hi Bill,

I was going more by how I know the early ones were made. I believe both officers and men wore the same.

Every once in a while someone puts insignia on, or acquires a beret with bullion insignia on it, and they just don't quite seem to ring true. I would love to see a photo that confirms there were bullion versions. I would also like to see a bullion version that looked convincing.

Keep up the good work.

Richard

[Panzer Rob]

Well, what is this? A "Panzermann", an assault-gun member or a Panzerjäger or an armored-recce guy?

Look also at the metal-eagle on the M43-cap.

Any opinions on this style of wrapper???

Great photo. When converted to B&W in Photoshop it looks like pink piping, but then yellow and pink both look very similar in B&W. Based on the combination of black tabs and field gray wrap I'm going to guess Panzerjäger.


Rob

[12thPanzer]

here is a Panzerman, but I dont recognize the cypher on the board. First thought was either GD or maybe Armoured Train Personnel.....but after looking closely, I dont think so. Its hard to see anyway, but maybe some type of Panzer schule?

[Michael H. Pruett]

Great Photos Folks!

12th Panzer, the last photo appears to me to be a metal "Feldherrnhalle" cypher. I believe that in the FHH this was far more common in the last year of the war than the wear of the correct "by the book" embroidered cypher for enlisted and jr. NCO ranks.
Thanks for sharing.
Mike

[12thPanzer]

12th Panzer, the last photo appears to me to be a metal "Feldherrnhalle" cypher. I believe that in the FHH this was far more common in the last year of the war than the wear of the correct "by the book" embroidered cypher for enlisted and jr. NCO ranks.
Thanks for sharing.
Mike

Oh wow, thanks Mike. To be honest, I hadn't even considered that. But I can see it now. And youre right, it certainly looks to be a metal cypher as well. Thanks alot for your help, and I did not know FHH EM/NCO's wore metal cyphers in the last year of the war either. Good to know.
Actually, When I bought the photo I didnt even know if it was a number or a cypher since the auction photo wasnt great, but I was hoping to figure it out when I got it in hand. lol Glad I grabbed it! Thanks again for your help

P.S.- The portrait was taken in Vienna in January 1945. Between that and the 3rd pattern wrap....I think you nailed it on it being the last year of the war!

[12thPanzer]

Just obtained this from a fellow member.
It is Panzer Fahnenjunker-Feldwebel Dieter Jahn (Jaehn) of the 5th Panzer Regiment.
His father was General der Artillerie Kurt Jahn (Jaehn).

[StuGIII]

Deiter

Just obtained this from a fellow member.
It is Panzer Fahnenjunker-Feldwebel Deiter Jahn of the 5th Panzer Regiment.
His father was General der Artillerie Kurt Jahn.

Did Deiter and his father survive the war? Just curious.

[12thPanzer]

Did Deiter and his father survive the war? Just curious.

I know that Gen. Kurt Jahn survived, but was also captured + spent time as a POW. Dieter Jahn also survived the war. People have actually been lucky enough to correspond with him at one point. I have read that He is known to speak very good english actually. I would like to find a scan of the photo of him standing w/ his Tiger ....but cant find it online. (pz abt 507)

[StuGIII]

Dieter

I know that Gen. Kurt Jahn survived, but was also captured + spent time as a POW. Dieter Jahn also survived the war. People have actually been lucky enough to correspond with him at one point. I have read that He is known to speak very good english actually. I would like to find a scan of the photo of him standing w/ his Tiger ....but cant find it online. (pz abt 507)

Hi thanks for the response. Glad to see they both survived.

[PzV]

in post 710 there is a nice photo of an early Pz Schutzmutze with a stitched cocarde. Here is an early one that I picked up years ago next to a normal woven cocarde.

[PzV]

backside

[PANZERPIONIERE]

Jim, nice!
Here is standard on a beret I am selling.
Steve

[isaluke]

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