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    Originally posted by W Petz View Post
    The previous two photos show tress or piping around the collars of the three HG soldiers (one being the original owner of the album) even though there is no indication they are NCO's

    Jul 19 - HG Pz 12 I believe Panzermann Weinbergmair was a driver/Mechanic
    Outstanding additions Bill.

    Perhaps a unit tailor was adding collar piping and it was a trend that was catching on more and more!

    One does look a little like NCO collar tress, perhaps some thicker than usual collar piping?

    Also, few cuff-titles evident in this particular selection of pictures (from #1326). Perhaps cuff-titles were issued at the end of training (if they are recruits), or perhaps they were (at times) in short supply for this ever expanding unit.

    Regards, Paul

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      Paul,

      First time I've seen such tress or piping on new recruits...possibly something designating them as class leaders in training? I believe they were new recruits at the Hermann Goering Kaserne, Reinickendorf Berlin.

      White tabs and no cuff titles until they finished their training...same thing I've seen in photos of recruits in Utrecht, Netherlands.

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        Jul 19 - HG Pz 17
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          Jul 19 - HG Pz 18 - HG Panzermann Weinbergmair wearing a Black Panzer wrap with no collar tabs.
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            Jul 19 - HG 19 - Family photo with HG Panzermann Weinbergmair wearing his Panzer wrap with white totenkopf tabs.
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              Jul 19 - HG 20 written in album Italien 12.02.44
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                Jul 19 - HG 21 written in album Italien 12.02.44
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                  Jul 19 - HG 22 written in album Italien 12.02.44
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                    The next four photos I believe were taken in Sicily or Italy. Tropical uniforms with many of the HG Panzermanner wearing totenkopf collar tabs

                    Jul 19 - HG Pz 23
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                      Jul 19 - HG Pz 24
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                        Jul 19 - HG Pz 25
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                          Jul 19 - HG Pz 26
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                            Aug 19 - HG Portrait 1
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                            Last edited by W Petz; 08-16-2019, 11:18 PM.

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                              A very nice portrait, Bill!

                              Cheers, Peter

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                                Wonderful additions Bill.

                                Ref the sequence of posts #1339 - 1343 you can see the effect of the Jan 1944 order to drop the white collar tabs (in forward zones), but back home on leave the collar tabs are re-applied?

                                We all like to see factory machine sewn insignia in our collections, but I can imagine a lot was sewn on by hand and back off again perhaps a number of times. I've heard this first hand from veterans.

                                Meanwhile "Der Spiess"'s white collar tabs (#1343 - note the book tucked into his wrap tunic) are going nowhere!

                                Regards, Paul

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