Panzerkampfabzeichen EZ 25 + ISA @ HELP

[Militaria.de]

Hello!

What´s your opinion´s? Now both from the same soldier. Now I´m not sure about the ISA.

Thany you!
Markus

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Isa

I know the catch only in this position "C". Now here ist the catch on the other side (left, not on the right side). So ok?

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Thank you!

[Giel VW]

Hello Markus

Both 100% ok.

The IAB is made by Rettenmaier and in very nice condition by the way!

[Pepe77]

Honestly, I like both of your badges very much!

[PKAliebhaber]

Hello,

the IAB is still by an unknown maker

[Norm F]

What´s your opinion´s? Now both from the same soldier. Now I´m not sure about the ISA.

The IAB is made by Rettenmaier and in very nice condition by the way!

the IAB is still by an unknown maker

Hi Guys,

In the interest of preventing another "is too/is not" stand-off, suffice it to say that these "flatbacks" are best described as "Rettenmaier-attributed", a term that correctly tells us that the attribution is not proven based on maker marks but rather suggested by a reasonable amount of circumstantial evidence.

To simply say "unknown maker" implies no one has given this any thought and that no theories exist, which would be a disservice to those who want to weigh the evidence for themselves.

For further reading on the topic see the following threads:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=638833
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=701875
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...47#post6146647

Hope that helps.

Best regards,
---Norm

[PKAliebhaber]

Hello Norm!

Thanks for youre post!
"Rettenmaier-attributed" i can live with this!!! Others can also=???
Thanks for the Links! I dont like the "mystery Box" at all, but its just my opinion, hopefully nobody will delete my post here

cheers!

[Norm F]

And as an aside, the academic maker attribution process as applied in this case cannot and should not be interpreted as a ploy to increase value of an "unknown" badge, as has sometimes been suggested.

Whether or not they are made by Rettenmaier, these unimpressive relatively common solid zinc badges, seemed to turn up at the war's end in LDO shops and post-war vet bring-backs suggesting they were fairly late production. Furthermore, Rettenmaier's business in Schwabisch-Gmund was not bombed or shut down, and continued right on into modern times, so there was certainly the potential for a large supply of wartime leftovers. So just like S&L and Souval, that's a name for which we cannot rule out the possibility of a mixture of wartime and post-war assembly products.

Best regards,
---Norm

[PKAliebhaber]

sure if there is no proof for things its an unknown maker, so german people work very exact.

[Norm F]

sure if there is no proof for things its an unknown maker, so german people work very exact.

Hi PKAliebhaber,

I have found that stereotyping national characteristics is neither accurate nor helpful in any discussion.

Best regards,
---Norm

[PKAliebhaber]

Hi PKAliebhaber,

I have found that stereotyping national characteristics is neither accurate nor helpful in any discussion.

Best regards,
---Norm

Hi Norm,

i also found it not helpfull, that other users just say "The IAB is made by Rettenmaier " because we cant say it for sure! I am more careful with such phrases