robert souval ek2 . wartime or post war?

[streptile]

the core we find on crosses marked 27

[fabri-online]

thanks Trevor. This question because I have heard from a collector that Schenkl supplied these cores (the wartime type) to Souval.

[nathan2552]

Thank you all guys ! But i see different opinions on this case, it has not the maker 27 centre indeed, so is it just a mistery or am i sure it is post war or wartime?
Thanks

[boch_62]

But that cross has a totally different core -- one which most of us have long agreed is a "wartime-only" core (the Schenkl 27 core). So I fail to see its relevance to the EK2 under discussion here (attached below).



I hate to be a contrarian, but I disagree. It is well-known that these characteristics can be found on postwar Souvals.

Hi Trevor,
Do I understand correctly?

Do you think that just Souval's crosses EK2 with Schenkl's (27) core were war-time, and all remained were the post-war ? It's very interesting

Jarek

[streptile]

Hi Trevor,
Do I understand correctly?

Do you think that just Souval's crosses EK2 with Schenkl's (27) core were war-time, and all remained were the post-war ? It's very interesting

Jarek

No. But I do believe that all Souval EK2s with the Schenkl 27 core are probably wartime, and that all others must be proven wartime or remain doubtful.

[morel5000]

Where the Schenkl cores not left over after the war and then used by Souval for the GI souvenir market?

Best regards,
Michel

[boch_62]

... all others must be proven wartime or remain doubtful.

How to do... it practically impossible.

In my opinion, with such a large production of crosses in the war, Souval used to crosses EK2 both own core (with a deep 3), the Schenkl's core and also occasionally Orth's core... but, of course, beyond the examples of crosses, evidence for this I do not have and them anymore I will not ... so it's just IMO


Jarek

[streptile]

How to do... it practically impossible.

That is precisely my point

[fabri-online]

Thank you all guys ! But i see different opinions on this case, it has not the maker 27 centre indeed, so is it just a mistery or am i sure it is post war or wartime?
Thanks

you can be sure it's very doubtful and in my opinion this kind of cross is not wartime as the pin back first classes with same core.

[boch_62]

...in my opinion this kind of cross is not wartime as the pin back first classes with same core.

Hi Fabrizio,
... And what about the early Souval's cross EK1 presented in Stefan's database -
http://www.ek1-dna.de/rudolf-souval,-wien.php

in my opinion the frame and the core are virtually identical to that cross EK2 discussed by us ... but of course I just can confuse

Jarek

[fabri-online]

Hi Jarek

5tefan has created and managed his website following his thought.
so he has put the cross on top as an early Souval, in my opinion is absolutely uncorrect, the doubt is between a late war cross or post war, and my thought has been already written....

[streptile]

Hi Jarek
5tefan has created and managed his website following his thought.
so he has put the cross on top as an early Souval, in my opinion is absolutely uncorrect...

I agree with Fabri.

[fabri-online]

to be clear, 5tefan has create his database following his thought but has created a great and beautiful work that at today no one can equalize, neither with a book because he can update it every day with a new variante. But in a so big work it's possible to see very very few crosses in a discutible place, just this.

[boch_62]

Hi Fabri and Trevor,

We do not understand a little
I do not say that Stefan is the oracle on matters of dispute whether the cross is the war-time or post-war ...

This was only one example (there are more) that some collectors consider this Souval's crosses for war-time. In my opinion, this is also a cross from the period of the war, but not necessarily early ...

You think that the cross is a post-war and o.k.
But both, me and you, do not have any evidence for this, it's just conjecture or deductions, and so, unfortunately, will be ...

Regards
Jarek

[streptile]

But both, me and you, do not have any evidence for this, it's just conjecture or deductions, and so, unfortunately, will be ...

Hi Jarek,

Have you read this thread? There is a lot of evidence in there about postwar Souval manufacture.