Junckers 800 "dot" RK

[RoyA]

Here are some more images.
These early Junckers seem to come in at a lighter wieght that the L/12's and "2" marked crosses which invariably come in at around 34g.
This one weighs 31.63 g....it also has the eggshell semigloss satin texture to the core that the L/12's all seem to have.

Hi Chris,
Interesting observation....my '800' weighs in at 31.1 g....it also has the semigloss satin core.
Roy

[Dave Kane]

Chris, yes very nice and Roy regarding your '800' I suspect it's an early cross. I think that the suggestion that there was a different core early on was lost in translation....Different MATERIAL was used in the core thus the lower weights but surely not a different die!

Dave

[Dietrich Maerz]

Dave,

are theses numbers the same or are they all different or what other combination?

[Brian S]

Chris, yes very nice and Roy regarding your '800' I suspect it's an early cross. I think that the suggestion that there was a different core early on was lost in translation....Different MATERIAL was used in the core thus the lower weights but surely not a different die!

Dave

NOT a different core die is possible, methinks perhaps others may say yay.

[Dave Kane]

Naw, just different paint material, thickness, rising etc.!

DM I'll send you a pic of a cross awarded in '40 and one picked up in '45 along with one with the eggshell finish that I can't attribute to a particular year.

Dave

[Brian S]

Paint may not account for the frontal tail of the leading '1' there. The '3' looks a little to the lean also.

[Dietrich Maerz]

Dave,

I say those are three different cores!

[Pascal H.]

Hi Chris,
Interesting observation....my '800' weighs in at 31.1 g....it also has the semigloss satin core.
Roy

My '800' was awarded in '40 and is even lighter. With the loop it only weighs 30.65 gr.

Pascal

[Dave Kane]

Here we go!

[Dave Kane]

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[Dave Kane]

And, I hope to have this one in hand soon!


Dave

[ChrisJ]

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Hi David,
The two pictures your posted show the same same die for the 1813...the top one is very likely (almost certainly a a Lazy2) and I guess the bottom is probably an L/12. Coating is different otherwise the same.

[Brian S]

All three of Dave's are the same die.

The bottom one is a lazeeee 2.

Guessing the middle an L/12 as the finish closest to mine and maybe the top is just a Juncker marked 800?

I have a feeling Dietrich's up to something here

[Dietrich Maerz]

Just to fuel the discussion, the three numeral are from three different crosses. The left one is a regular Juncker, the middle one is an early Juncker (Pieter V.) and the right one is a Rounder.

It seems clear to me, at least, that if there are any two identical its's the early Juncker and the Rounder. The 1's are the same and quite different than the regular Juncker. Also the ball of the 3 of the regular Juncker is thicker and higher to the middle of the 3. Furthermore the last two 3's are leaning to the left.

What I'm saying is that Junckers did use a different core in the early days and this core had nearly identical numbers to the Rounders. Provocative? Yes!

Dietrich

[Brian S]

Will Pieter be kind enough to post photos of his early beautiful RK?