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      #32
      Differences between Deumer and Zimmermann

      in one of the threads you posted the links of, Robert, I found this:
      I'm just referring to one of the threads, so this is more food for discussion here
      The Deumer Needle vs. the Zimmermann Needle with the sharp corner....
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        #33
        Zimmermann needle (marked example)
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          #34
          Here's a few pics I hope will help. I thought I had a Zimmerman but now it looks like I have another Deumer. The one I recieved yesterday will be referred to as Deumer 2. Here's the catch of Deumer 1.
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            #35
            The catch of Deumer 2. I cannot open the pin on this one and don'r want to force it.
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              #36
              Here's Deumer 1 with the pin open. This one doesn't open well and I don't think I'll try again.
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                #37
                Understandable, don't force it! - can you get a shot of that view (the first one you posted in this thread, to see if the needle is rounded in that key area?
                like this
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                  #38
                  Deumer 1 hinge. If you compare the two hinges you will see they are attached differently, with one being upside down, or opposite of the other.
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                    #39
                    Deumer 2 hinge.
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                      #40
                      Here's the date on Deumer 1.
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                        #41
                        The date of Deumer 2.
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                          #42
                          Finally, here's my 2 Deumers side by side. Deumer 2 is on the left and Deumer 1 is on the right with the copper coating exposed on the date and swaz. I hope this helps.
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by R. Schmitt View Post
                            Understandable, don't force it! - can you get a shot of that view (the first one you posted in this thread, to see if the needle is rounded in that key area?
                            like this

                            I don't have a shot now but the area you refer to is rounded like yours on Deumer 2 but not quite as much on Deumer 1, but the difference is very subtle, and more rounde on one side.

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                              #44
                              thanks for posting, Steve, Robert pointed it out pretty good, the lines on the hinge and the needle rounding in that marked area and the needle tip should give a good clue in order to determine if it's a Zimmermann or a Deumer.
                              Best Regards
                              Rainer

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