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    #436
    Originally posted by Dietrich Maerz View Post
    I did not use the word fake. All I said is that the "Diamonds" on the picture are neither his B-Type nor his A-Type. If one knows how they look, it is very obvious and easy to see.

    Dietrich
    Well then what are they ? What did Hartmann show you on a visit ? Is it possible he purchased a post war made set of diamonds ? Although I don't know if any were made by S&L or others. If they are not an A or B type I would like to know what you think.

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      #437
      Originally posted by Nigel N View Post
      Gunther Rall
      His 1957 RK and DKiG, sold by Andreas Thies.

      Regards,
      Sepp.
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        #438
        Originally posted by Tom B View Post
        Well then what are they ? What did Hartmann show you on a visit ? Is it possible he purchased a post war made set of diamonds ? Although I don't know if any were made by S&L or others. If they are not an A or B type I would like to know what you think.
        I never said that Hartmann showed me anything. I never met him. I saw the whole Hatmann group at the gentleman who owns it now and got it directly from Hartmann.
        I don't know who took that picture and in this case it is far easier to see what they are not. And they are neither Hartmann's original A nor B Type, that much is sure. I also doubt that he would have worn the B-type since that was damaged nor the A-type which he never wore because they are far to expensive. He could have bought several post war copies.
        The picture could also be wrongly titled - would not be the first time.

        Dietrich
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          #439
          Originally posted by Dietrich Maerz View Post
          The picture could also be wrongly titled - would not be the first time.

          Dietrich
          This well may be the case. I don't remember the exact page where I found the picture, but I recall saying it belonged to Hartmann. Of course, it could be wrong.

          Both appreciations made by Dietrich and Tom are very important!

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            #440
            From Der Jagdflieger Erich Hartmann (Motorbuch Verlag Stuttgart - 1978). The caption just reads "Erinnerungen beim Anblick der hohen Kriegsauszeichung."
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              #441
              Originally posted by Leroy View Post
              From Der Jagdflieger Erich Hartmann (Motorbuch Verlag Stuttgart - 1978). The caption just reads "Erinnerungen beim Anblick der hohen Kriegsauszeichung."
              Thanks for posting these. It IS the same set as in the photo posted earlier ! The ribbon proves that. Strange post war ribbon..... And it IS the set Hartmann showed to me during my visit at his home in 1981. I don't know anything about the gentlemen that "claims" to have gotten all of Hartmanns awards, but I do know I'm correct about what I saw ! When the recipient holds it in his hand and shows it to you, it beats all "Claims". My Final word on this subject !!!!! Tom

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                #442
                Tom,

                Do you really think that I just makeup what I was writing? This might very well his 1957 wear for the Bundeswehr set, but it is not his 3rd Reich Diamonds. That is all I am saying and if you don't believe me then that is just that!

                Dietrich
                B&D PUBLISHING
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                  #443
                  Originally posted by Sepp45 View Post
                  From a video interview, his two '57 editions.
                  Thanks Sepp! That's a great close-up!!


                  Errr .... "HER" .... Hanna was a girl.

                  --Guy

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                    #444
                    Maybe... just MAYBE, Hartmann showed his '57 RK set to Tom, but Dietrich saw his wartime grouping (sold to this collector).

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                      #445
                      Originally posted by GHP View Post
                      Thanks Sepp! That's a great close-up!!


                      Errr .... "HER" .... Hanna was a girl.

                      --Guy
                      My mistake

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                        #446
                        Hildegard Klemens, DKiGträger
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                          #447
                          Originally posted by Sepp45 View Post
                          Major Karl Pfannkuche
                          Another photo.
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                            Admiral Robert Gysae and Admiral Friedrich Kemnade
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                              Generalleutnant Horst Rudat
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                                General der Bundeswehr Johannes Steinhoff
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