Vets wearing their 57ers!!!

[Tom B]

I did not use the word fake. All I said is that the "Diamonds" on the picture are neither his B-Type nor his A-Type. If one knows how they look, it is very obvious and easy to see.

Dietrich

Well then what are they ? What did Hartmann show you on a visit ? Is it possible he purchased a post war made set of diamonds ? Although I don't know if any were made by S&L or others. If they are not an A or B type I would like to know what you think.

[Sepp45]

Gunther Rall

His 1957 RK and DKiG, sold by Andreas Thies.

Regards,
Sepp.

[Dietrich Maerz]

Well then what are they ? What did Hartmann show you on a visit ? Is it possible he purchased a post war made set of diamonds ? Although I don't know if any were made by S&L or others. If they are not an A or B type I would like to know what you think.

I never said that Hartmann showed me anything. I never met him. I saw the whole Hatmann group at the gentleman who owns it now and got it directly from Hartmann.
I don't know who took that picture and in this case it is far easier to see what they are not. And they are neither Hartmann's original A nor B Type, that much is sure. I also doubt that he would have worn the B-type since that was damaged nor the A-type which he never wore because they are far to expensive. He could have bought several post war copies.
The picture could also be wrongly titled - would not be the first time.

Dietrich

[Sepp45]

The picture could also be wrongly titled - would not be the first time.

Dietrich

This well may be the case. I don't remember the exact page where I found the picture, but I recall saying it belonged to Hartmann. Of course, it could be wrong.

Both appreciations made by Dietrich and Tom are very important!

[Leroy]

From Der Jagdflieger Erich Hartmann (Motorbuch Verlag Stuttgart - 1978). The caption just reads "Erinnerungen beim Anblick der hohen Kriegsauszeichung."

[Tom B]

From Der Jagdflieger Erich Hartmann (Motorbuch Verlag Stuttgart - 1978). The caption just reads "Erinnerungen beim Anblick der hohen Kriegsauszeichung."

Thanks for posting these. It IS the same set as in the photo posted earlier ! The ribbon proves that. Strange post war ribbon..... And it IS the set Hartmann showed to me during my visit at his home in 1981. I don't know anything about the gentlemen that "claims" to have gotten all of Hartmanns awards, but I do know I'm correct about what I saw ! When the recipient holds it in his hand and shows it to you, it beats all "Claims". My Final word on this subject !!!!! Tom

[Dietrich Maerz]

Tom,

Do you really think that I just makeup what I was writing? This might very well his 1957 wear for the Bundeswehr set, but it is not his 3rd Reich Diamonds. That is all I am saying and if you don't believe me then that is just that!

Dietrich

[GHP]

From a video interview, his two '57 editions.

Thanks Sepp! That's a great close-up!!


Errr .... "HER" .... Hanna was a girl.

--Guy

[Sepp45]

Maybe... just MAYBE, Hartmann showed his '57 RK set to Tom, but Dietrich saw his wartime grouping (sold to this collector).

[Sepp45]

Thanks Sepp! That's a great close-up!!


Errr .... "HER" .... Hanna was a girl.

--Guy

My mistake

[Sepp45]

Hildegard Klemens, DKiGträger

[Sepp45]

Major Karl Pfannkuche

Another photo.

[Sepp45]

Admiral Robert Gysae and Admiral Friedrich Kemnade

[Sepp45]

Generalleutnant Horst Rudat

[Sepp45]

General der Bundeswehr Johannes Steinhoff