Junker Pilot, early pattern?

[ccj]

Opinion on this junker

[ccj]

[ccj]

Am about to pickup this badge if all agree it's an original WW1 badge...

[ccj]

Am about to pickup this badge if all agree it's an original WW1 badge...

Prussian Pilot’s Badge; Type 4 by C. E. Juncker of Berlin



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[nhcoejr]

Early Pattern

Early Juncker's have the mark "C.E. Juncker" Berlin , half moon , 800 in the middle of the back plate. Just my view, nevertheless, this is a nice badge, N.H. Coe

[nhcoejr]

Early Pattern

eMedals ( Barry Turk ) just sold a type 4. It is on his web site, N.H.Coe

[ccj]

Yeah

[phild]

This one looks original to me, maybe a 1917 period but before the broken the "E". I say that because the detailing and hand finishing looks rougher on this one than many (hinge, edge, crown cuts) . I know they varied.

One thing to keep in mind is always look at weight. On this style badge in 800 silver it should be around 30 grams plus or minus maybe 2 grams (or a little less)

I have see some fairly decent Juncker fakes that were cast but very heavy!

[ccj]

71.36mm x 45.93mm
weight 29.3 grams

[Hagrid]

I think it´s a good one, too.
Nevertheless I dont´t like it because the crown cutouts are awfully made (apprentice job?) and disturb the general impression of sophisticated craftmenship these badges usually display.
But that´s only my personal opinion - "de gustibus non est disputandum"
Regards
Hagrid

[ccj]

I think it´s a good one, too.

Nevertheless I dont´t like it because the crown cutouts are awfully made (apprentice job?) and disturb the general impression of sophisticated craftmenship these badges usually display.

But that´s only my personal opinion - "de gustibus non est disputandum"

Regards

Hagrid

That's an issue I've been studying. Do you guys think this would have been offered for sale or put away as a reject? And, if rejected, would they put away or melt and use for another product?



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[nhcoejr]

Juncker is not a rare badge and they are regulary on the market for sale . Juncker produced both award and private purchase pieces. Genreally, they are of a very high qualiity. If you have any doubts, do not purchase the item. N.H. Coe

[phild]

I think that your question is impossible to answer with any certainty. That badg may
Have well been delivered to the government for award as it is not that poorly finished. It does seem to show some honest wear on the high points and would be consistent with a badge worn in service for a year or so. None of that also excludes it from being private sold and worn. I think that having a range of examples is not a bad collecting model

[Hagrid]

eMedals ( Barry Turk ) just sold a type 4. It is on his web site, N.H.Coe

We are talking about this emedals-badge here ...
And I think CCJ is the happy new owner
Regards
Hagrid

[nhcoejr]

Barry's is a nice badge and sold for a very good price.