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    Thanks. So by the look of it a 2-pronged leather belt is correct. Are the original ones brown or black do you know?

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      You have to be a little careful with KdA stuff - they did exist for some time and there are some subtle differences over the time period.

      Assuming you want to piece together something from the 80's (because that uniform is the most likely one you have found), the belt is the same one as a NVA officer would wear, which is brown.

      However, some of the earlier photos in that link show different stuff altogether. For example, the photo of the officer addressing his men by reading from a card is a much earlier picture - see how the KdA badge on his arm differs? The belt this guy is wearing is a Soviet officer's belt!!

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        Yes, It's a 1980s Jacke. So a brown 2-pronged officer's belt would work, right?

        Some other questions (sorry if they've been addressed before):

        Y-straps / belt loops - yes? no? / black? brown?
        Cartridge or magazine pouches - regular military issue?
        Water bottle?
        Breadbag?
        Footwear?

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          Originally posted by BedsnHerts View Post
          Yes, It's a 1980s Jacke. So a brown 2-pronged officer's belt would work, right?

          Some other questions (sorry if they've been addressed before):

          Y-straps / belt loops - yes? no? / black? brown?
          Cartridge or magazine pouches - regular military issue?
          Water bottle?
          Breadbag?
          Footwear?
          Genosse,
          For the 1980's use a Grey Nylon Belt, a normal NVA Rain drop MPi KM pouch, KdA Brown E tool carrier or NVA grey plastic carrier, NVA Rain drop Water bottle worn on the belt, Grey Nylon Yoke, Bayonet to suit the MPi.
          NVA Grey Plastic or KdA Green cloth Respirator Bag,and if worn NVA Rain drop Assault Pack Nr1 with a Grey KdA Zeltbahn.

          Wear normal NVA Boots.

          The KdA Leather equipment was normally Brown, its Breadbags used Brown fittings back in the day.

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            Oh sorry, I didn't know you meant for a combat loadout

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              Yes it's for a combat loadout. Thanks for the info guys

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                Here is another flag for the list:

                201 Kampfgruppen Zug Brandenburg.



                It's now for sale on eBay:

                http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

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                  and another one, sold on eBay some time ago:

                  Kampfgruppen Hundertschaft Pössneck


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                    more KG fahnen ???

                    Originally posted by Gom Jabbar View Post
                    Here is another flag for the list:
                    201 Kampfgruppen Zug Brandenburg. It's now for sale on eBay:
                    GJ:
                    Thanks for providing two more examples.
                    ---------------------------------------------------------
                    ... OLDFLAGSWANTED ....
                    KG flag count now updated to 69, plus others
                    .....................................................
                    03/12/10 List of Known Wreath KG unit flags
                    (Large wreath, lettering in upper left corner)
                    ----------------------------------------------------------
                    1. #5. Kampfgruppen-Hundertshaft Cottbus, with document (source OFW)
                    2. #145. Kampfgruppen-Hundertshaft Quedlindburg (*, eBay#1167945870)
                    3. #262. Kampfgruppen-Zug Strausberg (*Oliver book)
                    4. #34. Kampfgruppen-Zug (mot.) Strausberg (*Oliver Book)
                    5. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Forst (*= photo verified)
                    6. #?8. Kampfgruppen-Zug Teterow (*)
                    7. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Neuruppen (*)
                    8. #? Kampfgruppen-Bataillonshaft ?Niberode (*Oliver Book, pg 93) <-- ???
                    9. #64. Kampfgruppen-Zug Freital (*)
                    10. #206. Kampfgruppen-Zug Bautzen (*, & formerly DHH)
                    11. #1. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Berlin (*1983-KG books)
                    12. #107. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Dresden (source DHH)
                    13. #155. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Dresden (source DHH)
                    14. #203. Kampfgruppen-Zug Bautzen (source DHH)
                    15. #62. Kampfgruppen-Zug ?location? (*eBay #6132614203 Nov04)
                    16. #? Kampfgruppen-? ?location? (was on W-A Forum e-stand) <--- ???
                    17. #154 Kampfgruppen-Hundrertschaft Bautzen (*online auction)
                    .....(with Kurt Pchalek red streamer & 7Oct1975 Green streamer)
                    18. #26. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Rathenow, (*WA-Forum)
                    .....(with Friedrich Engels 7 Oct 78 red streamer, & 7 Oct 74 Green).
                    19. #22. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Wolgast, (*WA-Forum)
                    …...(with 66/68,80/82/85 red streamer, & 1 Mai. 1974 Green).
                    20. #50. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Berlin-Mitte, (*WA-Forum)
                    21. #100. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Berlin-Mitte, (*WA-Forum)
                    22. #12. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Berlin -Treptow, (*WA-Forum)
                    23. #238. Kampfgruppen-Zug Zossen, (*WA-Forum)
                    24. #IV. Kampfgruppen-Battalion (mot.) Zossen, (*WA-Forum)
                    .....(with 7. Oktober 1975 green streamer)
                    25. #220. Kampfgruppen-Zug Strasburg, (*WA-Forum)
                    26. #209. Kampfgruppen-Zug Neubrandenburg, (*Gz-Forum)
                    .....(with 07.10.1983 red streamer)
                    27. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hunderschaft Neubrandenburg, (*Gz-Forum)
                    .....(with 07.10.1973 red streamer)
                    28. #219. Kampfgruppen-Zug Strasburg, (*Gz-Forum)
                    29. #223. Kampfgruppen-Zug Rostock, (*Gz-Forum)
                    30. #192. Kampfgruppen-Batterie (Flak) Rostock, (*WA-Forum)
                    31. (No#?) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Zittau, document only (")
                    32. #225. Kampfgruppen-Zug Reichenbach, (*WAF GJ via eBay)
                    33. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hunderschaft Reichenbach, (*WAF " )
                    34. #223 Kampfgruppen-Zug Reichenbach, (*eBay 299 Euros, OFW)
                    35. #143. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Freiberg, (*source GJ)
                    .....(with 7.Okt1973 green, 978 BE red, BE66/68 red, Robert
                    .....Siewert 1.Mai 1985 red streamer)
                    36. #151. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Bernau, (*CZ Auction 450 Euros)
                    37. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot) Forst (*& doc., 800 Euros)
                    38. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot) Cotbus (* 650 Euros)
                    39. II. Kampfgruppen-Battaillon (mot) Nordhausen, 7.Okt74 green, *1KE
                    40. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Herzberg, 01.05.80 red+top,(*1000 Euros)
                    .....Source list #39/40 SG Auction Italy, as cited on WAF.
                    41. 156. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Rostock, ebay #320325417163*
                    42. 421. Kampfgruppen-Zug Schwerin, "170287455472*, 1Mai74 green
                    .....streamer and Walter Griesbach Honor named 7Oct77 red streamer.
                    43. 4. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Berlin-Prenzlauerberg+doc*J-D
                    44. 203. Kampfgruppen-Zug Berlin-Prenzlauerberg, Hans Janocha red*"
                    45. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Berlin-Prenzlauerberg*"
                    46. 108. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Berlin-Prenzlauerberg, *Johan-D
                    47. 202. Kampfgruppen-Zug Berlin-Prenzlauerberg, *Johan-Dallasfan
                    48. 274. Kampfgruppen-Zug Wolgast, BE 85/87, Green 1Mai74, *"(J-D)
                    49. 205. Kampfgruppen-Zug Calau, Red-BE, Green 1Mai75, *Johan-D
                    50. 420. Kampfgruppen-Zug Gustrow, heavy cotton as all listed above.
                    51. 229. Kampfgruppen-Zug Oranienburg, *J-D
                    52. 160. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Oranienburg, *J-D
                    53. II. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Oranienburg, *J-D
                    54. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Perleberg, BE-66/70/82, Bruno Schramm,
                    .......& red 1Mai72 streamer + red cords, ebay 193 Euros, *GJ
                    55. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Hagenow, BE-72/76/78/80/82 + cords, "
                    56. 238. Kampfgruppen-Zug Weisswasser, sold for 170 Euros, *GJ.
                    57. 9. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Rostock, 168 Euros, *GJ.
                    58. 119. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Reichenbach, *eBay 220354748711
                    .......with pole top and trooping harness. 369 Euros min start bid.
                    59. 169. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Rugen, *eBay 300304111842
                    ......with top, 7.Okt74 and other streamers, and 5 documents... *GJ
                    59a Kampfgruppenfahne an den 254. Kampfgruppenzug, 1. Mai 1976
                    59b Kampfgruppenfahne an den 276. Kampfgruppenzug, 07.10.1989
                    59c Kampfgruppenzug wird der Ehrenname "Kurt Bürger", unit #276
                    59d Kampfgruppenfahne an den 15. Kampfgruppenzug
                    59e Kampfgruppenfahne an die 169. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
                    60. 21. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Karl-Marx-Stadt, *J-D
                    60b KDADDDP title flag in unit # large wreath pole slip pattern, *J-D
                    61. 270. Kampfgruppen-Zug Niesky, old catalog sale entry, *J-D
                    62. 412. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Deutsche Reichbann Fahr-
                    ......komplex Mukran, old catalog sale entry, *J-D, IMO best so far!
                    63. 280. Kampfgruppen-Zug Riesa, *WAF member GD
                    64. 9. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Rostock, "
                    65. 264. Kampfgruppen-Zug Dresden, "
                    66. 156. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Neubrandenburg, Horst Jonas, "
                    67. 275. Kampfgruppen-Zug Wolgast, Fahnenbänder: "Karl Kießling
                    dated 1. Mai 1986" (red) u. "7. Okt. 1974" (green), Berlin Auctionhaus
                    68. 201. Kampfgruppen-Zug Brandenburg, *GJ, eBay #360241380385
                    69. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Possneck, *GJ, on pole, no top.
                    -------------------------------------------------------------------
                    Question: 51-53 same unit growing larger, or separate at same time?
                    ************************************************** ******
                    ***(KG Honor flag pattern, with pole loops and silken field material)***
                    H1. 4. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot) Max Fritch, +doc, *J-D
                    ......small wreath, above and below large arc lettering.
                    H2. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot) Erich Weinert, Johan-Dallasfan, WAF
                    ......large wreath, above and below large arc lettering.
                    H3. 1.HS. Kirschau (corner square 2 sides), loops, no wreath, cotton*DHH
                    H4. (No#) Walter Ulbricht - Babelsberg, loops, no w", arc lettered, *DHH
                    H5. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Bruno Kuhn, loops, *J-D,
                    ......small wreath, above and below large arc lettering. (H6 also *J-D)
                    H6. 1 Selbstandiger Zug Bahnbetriebswerk Schwerin, loops, no wreath
                    H7. VEB Kreidewerke Rugen Klementelvitz (Rugen)
                    H8. Hundertschaft MTS-Bereich Merzdorf, *GD
                    ----------------------------------------------------------------------<!-- / message -->
                    Interesting to note repeat 223 unit numbers, wonder why ???
                    Same question for repeat 238 unit numbers, above list #23 & #56.
                    Also it would be interesting to find a list of KG unit Honor names.
                    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
                    Per 1998 KG unit Map 2021 possible total; 55 Bn, 526 HS, 1440 Zug.
                    ************************************************** ****
                    V-1. Volkspolize-Kreisamt Herzberg, complete on original pole, *OFW
                    V-2. Volkspolize-Kreisamt Jessen, with documents, top+green-s,*GJ
                    V-3. Volkspolize-Kreisamt Weiss Wasser, +green streamer & cords, <!-- / message --><!-- edit note --><!-- / message -->
                    <!-- / message -->
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                    .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                      Team - Latest KdA "order of battle" based on Oldflagswanted's list. Please correct or update as necessary.

                      All the best - TJ


                      Kampfgruppen Order of Battle

                      Babelsberg
                      “Walter Ulbricht” – Babelsberg
                      · Associated with Deutsche Akademie für Staats-u. Rechtswissenschaft
                      · Size & numerical designation unknown

                      Bautzen
                      154. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
                      · Awarded “Kurt Pchalek” Red Streamer
                      · Awarded “Green Streamer” on 7 OCT 75
                      203. Kampfgruppen-Zug
                      206. Kampfgruppen-Zug

                      Berlin
                      I. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.), Berlin
                      50. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.), Berlin-Mitte
                      100. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft, Berlin-Mitte

                      4. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) “Max Fritch,” Berlin-Prenzlauerberg
                      108. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft, Berlin-Prenzlauerberg
                      202. Kampfgruppen-Zug, Berlin-Prenzlauerberg
                      203. Kampfgruppen-Zug, Berlin-Prenzlauerberg
                      · Awarded “Hans Janocha” Red Streamer

                      12. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft, Berlin-Treptow

                      Bernau
                      151. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft

                      Bitterfeld
                      VEB Chemiekombinat Bitterfeld
                      · Size & numerical designation unknown

                      Brandenburg
                      201. Kampfgruppen-Zug

                      Calau
                      205. Kampfgruppen-Zug
                      · Awarded Red Beste Einheit wimpel 1985 -1987
                      · Awarded “Green Streamer” on 1 MAY 75

                      Cottbus
                      5. Kampfgruppen-Hundertshaft Cottbus
                      Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot) Cotbus
                      · Size & designation unknown

                      Dommitzsch/Elbe (Kreis Torgau – Elbe)
                      Kampfgruppe V. Hundertschaft

                      Dresden
                      107. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
                      155. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
                      264. Kampfgruppen-Zug

                      Forst
                      Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot)
                      · Associated with VEB Forster Tuchfabrike
                      · Numerical designation unknown
                      Kampfgruppen-Zug
                      · Designation unknown

                      Freiberg,
                      143. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
                      · Awarded Green Streamer on 7 OCT 73
                      · Awarded Beste Einheit wimple “1978”
                      · Awarded Beste Einheit wimple 1966/68
                      · Awarded “Robert Siewert” wimple on 1 MAY 85
                      · Awarded unknown red streamer on 1 MAY 75

                      Freital
                      64. Kampfgruppen-Zug

                      Güstrow
                      420. Kampfgruppen-Zug

                      Hagenow

                      Kampfgruppen-Zug
                      · BE-72/76/78/80/82

                      Herzberg
                      Kampfgruppen-Zug
                      · Size & designation unknown

                      Karl-Marx-Stadt
                      21. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.)

                      Kirschau
                      1.Hundertschaft

                      Ludwigsfelde
                      Kampfgruppenbataillon (mot.) “Arthur Ladwig”
                      · Affiliated with VEB Automobilwerke Ludwigsfelde

                      Magdeburg
                      KdA Detachment, VEB Stahl - u. Apparatebau
                      · Unit designator unknown
                      · Confirmed active 1960-1961

                      Merzdorf
                      Hundertschaft MTS-Bereich


                      Neubrandenburg
                      Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
                      · Designation unkown
                      · Awarded red streamer on 7 OCT 73
                      156. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft, “Horst Jonas”
                      209. Kampfgruppen-Zug
                      · Awarded “Banner der Arbeit” on 7 OCT 83

                      Neuruppen
                      Kampfgruppen-Zug
                      · Designation unknown

                      Niberode
                      Kampfgruppen-Bataillonshaft
                      · Designation unknown
                      Niesky
                      270. Kampfgruppen-Zug

                      Nordhausen
                      II. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot)
                      · Awarded Green Streamer on 7 OCT 74

                      Oranienburg
                      II. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.)
                      160. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
                      229. Kampfgruppen-Zug

                      Quedlindburg
                      145. Kampfgruppen-Hundertshaft

                      Perleberg
                      Kampfgruppen-Zug (numerical designation unknown)
                      · BE-66/70/82
                      · Bruno Schramm
                      · 1 Mai 72 streamer (red)

                      Pössneck
                      Kampfgruppen Hundertschaft Pössneck

                      Rathenow
                      26. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.)
                      · Awarded “Friedrich Engels” wimple on 7 OCT 78
                      · Awarded Green Streamer on 7 OCT 74

                      Reichenbach
                      119. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
                      223 Kampfgruppen-Zug
                      225. Kampfgruppen-Zug
                      Riesa
                      280. Kampfgruppen-Zug

                      Rostock
                      9. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.)
                      156. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
                      223. Kampfgruppen-Zug
                      · Awarded Besten Einheit wimple, dates unknown
                      192. Kampfgruppen-Batterie (Flak)

                      Rugen
                      169. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
                      · 7 Okt 74 streamer
                      15. Kampfgruppenzug
                      254. Kampfgruppenzug, 1. Mai 1976
                      276. Kampfgruppenzug, 07.10.1989 - Ehrenname "Kurt Bürger"
                      VEB Kreidewerke Rugen Klementelvitz

                      Schwerin
                      1. Selbständiger Zug, Bahnbetriebswerk Schwerin
                      421. Kampfgruppen-Zug
                      · Awarded Green Streamer on 1 MAY 74
                      · Awarded “Walter Griesbach” Honor Streamer on 7 OCT 77

                      Strausberg
                      34. Kampfgruppen-Zug (mot.)
                      219. Kampfgruppen-Zug
                      220. Kampfgruppen-Zug
                      262. Kampfgruppen-Zug

                      Straslund
                      6. Selbständiger Zug, VPKA, Straslund

                      Teterow
                      _8. Kampfgruppen-Zug

                      Weisswasser
                      238. Kampfgruppen-Zug

                      Wolgast
                      22. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.),
                      · Awarded Beste Einheit wimple 1966/68, 1980/82/85
                      · Awarded Green Streamer on 1 MAY 74
                      274. Kampfgruppen-Zug
                      · Awarded Beste Einheit wimple 1985/87
                      · Awarded Green Streamer on 1 MAY 74
                      275. Kampfgruppen-Zug
                      · Fahnenbänder: "Karl Kießling" (red) 1. Mai 1986
                      · "7. Okt. 1974" (green), mit Fahnenspitze

                      Zittau
                      Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft

                      Zossen
                      IV. Kampfgruppen-Battalion (mot.)
                      · Awarded Green Streamer on 7 OCT 75
                      238. Kampfgruppen-Zug

                      Designated Units; Location Unkown
                      Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Bruno Kuhn
                      Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot) Erich Weinert
                      62. Kampfgruppen-Zug
                      I/11 Hundertschaft, Kreis Mitte
                      412. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Deutsche Reichbann Fahr-komplex Mukran

                      Note: Estimated 12 KdA Flak Batteries in addition to Rostock Unit
                      Note: Per 1998 KdA unit map 2021 total possible units; 55 Bn, 526 HS, 1440 Zug.

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                        A few more KG Fahnen for the list .

                        62. Kampfgruppen-Zug Dresden , with Fahnenschleife '' Kurt Kuhles ''




                        Regards , Johan

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                          19. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft ( mot ) Dresden
                          with Fahnenschleife '' Otto Galle ''




                          Regards , Johan

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                            A few documents for Kampfgruppen Fahnen
                            All the documents are handsigned by Hans Modrow ( the successor of Willy Stoph in 1989 )

                            Document for the '' 113. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Dresden ''




                            Regards , Johan

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                              Document for the '' 214. Kampfgruppen-Zug Dresden ''



                              Regards , Johan

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                                Document for the '' 215. Kampfgruppen-Zug Dresden ''



                                Regards , Johan

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