A thread about the Kampfgruppen

[BedsnHerts]

Thanks. So by the look of it a 2-pronged leather belt is correct. Are the original ones brown or black do you know?

[Kozlov]

You have to be a little careful with KdA stuff - they did exist for some time and there are some subtle differences over the time period.

Assuming you want to piece together something from the 80's (because that uniform is the most likely one you have found), the belt is the same one as a NVA officer would wear, which is brown.

However, some of the earlier photos in that link show different stuff altogether. For example, the photo of the officer addressing his men by reading from a card is a much earlier picture - see how the KdA badge on his arm differs? The belt this guy is wearing is a Soviet officer's belt!!

[BedsnHerts]

Yes, It's a 1980s Jacke. So a brown 2-pronged officer's belt would work, right?

Some other questions (sorry if they've been addressed before):

Y-straps / belt loops - yes? no? / black? brown?
Cartridge or magazine pouches - regular military issue?
Water bottle?
Breadbag?
Footwear?

[Viktor]

Yes, It's a 1980s Jacke. So a brown 2-pronged officer's belt would work, right?

Some other questions (sorry if they've been addressed before):

Y-straps / belt loops - yes? no? / black? brown?
Cartridge or magazine pouches - regular military issue?
Water bottle?
Breadbag?
Footwear?

Genosse,
For the 1980's use a Grey Nylon Belt, a normal NVA Rain drop MPi KM pouch, KdA Brown E tool carrier or NVA grey plastic carrier, NVA Rain drop Water bottle worn on the belt, Grey Nylon Yoke, Bayonet to suit the MPi.
NVA Grey Plastic or KdA Green cloth Respirator Bag,and if worn NVA Rain drop Assault Pack Nr1 with a Grey KdA Zeltbahn.

Wear normal NVA Boots.

The KdA Leather equipment was normally Brown, its Breadbags used Brown fittings back in the day.

[Kozlov]

Oh sorry, I didn't know you meant for a combat loadout

[BedsnHerts]

Yes it's for a combat loadout. Thanks for the info guys

[Gom Jabbar]

Here is another flag for the list:

201 Kampfgruppen Zug Brandenburg.



It's now for sale on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[Gom Jabbar]

and another one, sold on eBay some time ago:

Kampfgruppen Hundertschaft Pössneck

[oldflagswanted]

more KG fahnen ???

Here is another flag for the list:
201 Kampfgruppen Zug Brandenburg. It's now for sale on eBay:

GJ:
Thanks for providing two more examples.
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... OLDFLAGSWANTED ....
KG flag count now updated to 69, plus others
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03/12/10 List of Known Wreath KG unit flags
(Large wreath, lettering in upper left corner)
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1. #5. Kampfgruppen-Hundertshaft Cottbus, with document (source OFW)
2. #145. Kampfgruppen-Hundertshaft Quedlindburg (*, eBay#1167945870)
3. #262. Kampfgruppen-Zug Strausberg (*Oliver book)
4. #34. Kampfgruppen-Zug (mot.) Strausberg (*Oliver Book)
5. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Forst (*= photo verified)
6. #?8. Kampfgruppen-Zug Teterow (*)
7. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Neuruppen (*)
8. #? Kampfgruppen-Bataillonshaft ?Niberode (*Oliver Book, pg 93) <-- ???
9. #64. Kampfgruppen-Zug Freital (*)
10. #206. Kampfgruppen-Zug Bautzen (*, & formerly DHH)
11. #1. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Berlin (*1983-KG books)
12. #107. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Dresden (source DHH)
13. #155. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Dresden (source DHH)
14. #203. Kampfgruppen-Zug Bautzen (source DHH)
15. #62. Kampfgruppen-Zug ?location? (*eBay #6132614203 Nov04)
16. #? Kampfgruppen-? ?location? (was on W-A Forum e-stand) <--- ???
17. #154 Kampfgruppen-Hundrertschaft Bautzen (*online auction)
.....(with Kurt Pchalek red streamer & 7Oct1975 Green streamer)
18. #26. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Rathenow, (*WA-Forum)
.....(with Friedrich Engels 7 Oct 78 red streamer, & 7 Oct 74 Green).
19. #22. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Wolgast, (*WA-Forum)
…...(with 66/68,80/82/85 red streamer, & 1 Mai. 1974 Green).
20. #50. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Berlin-Mitte, (*WA-Forum)
21. #100. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Berlin-Mitte, (*WA-Forum)
22. #12. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Berlin -Treptow, (*WA-Forum)
23. #238. Kampfgruppen-Zug Zossen, (*WA-Forum)
24. #IV. Kampfgruppen-Battalion (mot.) Zossen, (*WA-Forum)
.....(with 7. Oktober 1975 green streamer)
25. #220. Kampfgruppen-Zug Strasburg, (*WA-Forum)
26. #209. Kampfgruppen-Zug Neubrandenburg, (*Gz-Forum)
.....(with 07.10.1983 red streamer)
27. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hunderschaft Neubrandenburg, (*Gz-Forum)
.....(with 07.10.1973 red streamer)
28. #219. Kampfgruppen-Zug Strasburg, (*Gz-Forum)
29. #223. Kampfgruppen-Zug Rostock, (*Gz-Forum)
30. #192. Kampfgruppen-Batterie (Flak) Rostock, (*WA-Forum)
31. (No#?) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Zittau, document only (")
32. #225. Kampfgruppen-Zug Reichenbach, (*WAF GJ via eBay)
33. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hunderschaft Reichenbach, (*WAF " )
34. #223 Kampfgruppen-Zug Reichenbach, (*eBay 299 Euros, OFW)
35. #143. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Freiberg, (*source GJ)
.....(with 7.Okt1973 green, 978 BE red, BE66/68 red, Robert
.....Siewert 1.Mai 1985 red streamer)
36. #151. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Bernau, (*CZ Auction 450 Euros)
37. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot) Forst (*& doc., 800 Euros)
38. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot) Cotbus (* 650 Euros)
39. II. Kampfgruppen-Battaillon (mot) Nordhausen, 7.Okt74 green, *1KE
40. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Herzberg, 01.05.80 red+top,(*1000 Euros)
.....Source list #39/40 SG Auction Italy, as cited on WAF.
41. 156. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Rostock, ebay #320325417163*
42. 421. Kampfgruppen-Zug Schwerin, "170287455472*, 1Mai74 green
.....streamer and Walter Griesbach Honor named 7Oct77 red streamer.
43. 4. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Berlin-Prenzlauerberg+doc*J-D
44. 203. Kampfgruppen-Zug Berlin-Prenzlauerberg, Hans Janocha red*"
45. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Berlin-Prenzlauerberg*"
46. 108. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Berlin-Prenzlauerberg, *Johan-D
47. 202. Kampfgruppen-Zug Berlin-Prenzlauerberg, *Johan-Dallasfan
48. 274. Kampfgruppen-Zug Wolgast, BE 85/87, Green 1Mai74, *"(J-D)
49. 205. Kampfgruppen-Zug Calau, Red-BE, Green 1Mai75, *Johan-D
50. 420. Kampfgruppen-Zug Gustrow, heavy cotton as all listed above.
51. 229. Kampfgruppen-Zug Oranienburg, *J-D
52. 160. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Oranienburg, *J-D
53. II. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Oranienburg, *J-D
54. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Perleberg, BE-66/70/82, Bruno Schramm,
.......& red 1Mai72 streamer + red cords, ebay 193 Euros, *GJ
55. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Hagenow, BE-72/76/78/80/82 + cords, "
56. 238. Kampfgruppen-Zug Weisswasser, sold for 170 Euros, *GJ.
57. 9. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Rostock, 168 Euros, *GJ.
58. 119. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Reichenbach, *eBay 220354748711
.......with pole top and trooping harness. 369 Euros min start bid.
59. 169. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Rugen, *eBay 300304111842
......with top, 7.Okt74 and other streamers, and 5 documents... *GJ
59a Kampfgruppenfahne an den 254. Kampfgruppenzug, 1. Mai 1976
59b Kampfgruppenfahne an den 276. Kampfgruppenzug, 07.10.1989
59c Kampfgruppenzug wird der Ehrenname "Kurt Bürger", unit #276
59d Kampfgruppenfahne an den 15. Kampfgruppenzug
59e Kampfgruppenfahne an die 169. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
60. 21. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Karl-Marx-Stadt, *J-D
60b KDADDDP title flag in unit # large wreath pole slip pattern, *J-D
61. 270. Kampfgruppen-Zug Niesky, old catalog sale entry, *J-D
62. 412. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Deutsche Reichbann Fahr-
......komplex Mukran, old catalog sale entry, *J-D, IMO best so far!
63. 280. Kampfgruppen-Zug Riesa, *WAF member GD
64. 9. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Rostock, "
65. 264. Kampfgruppen-Zug Dresden, "
66. 156. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Neubrandenburg, Horst Jonas, "
67. 275. Kampfgruppen-Zug Wolgast, Fahnenbänder: "Karl Kießling
dated 1. Mai 1986" (red) u. "7. Okt. 1974" (green), Berlin Auctionhaus
68. 201. Kampfgruppen-Zug Brandenburg, *GJ, eBay #360241380385
69. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Possneck, *GJ, on pole, no top.
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Question: 51-53 same unit growing larger, or separate at same time?
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***(KG Honor flag pattern, with pole loops and silken field material)***
H1. 4. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot) Max Fritch, +doc, *J-D
......small wreath, above and below large arc lettering.
H2. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot) Erich Weinert, Johan-Dallasfan, WAF
......large wreath, above and below large arc lettering.
H3. 1.HS. Kirschau (corner square 2 sides), loops, no wreath, cotton*DHH
H4. (No#) Walter Ulbricht - Babelsberg, loops, no w", arc lettered, *DHH
H5. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Bruno Kuhn, loops, *J-D,
......small wreath, above and below large arc lettering. (H6 also *J-D)
H6. 1 Selbstandiger Zug Bahnbetriebswerk Schwerin, loops, no wreath
H7. VEB Kreidewerke Rugen Klementelvitz (Rugen)
H8. Hundertschaft MTS-Bereich Merzdorf, *GD
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Interesting to note repeat 223 unit numbers, wonder why ???
Same question for repeat 238 unit numbers, above list #23 & #56.
Also it would be interesting to find a list of KG unit Honor names.
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Per 1998 KG unit Map 2021 possible total; 55 Bn, 526 HS, 1440 Zug.
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V-1. Volkspolize-Kreisamt Herzberg, complete on original pole, *OFW
V-2. Volkspolize-Kreisamt Jessen, with documents, top+green-s,*GJ
V-3. Volkspolize-Kreisamt Weiss Wasser, +green streamer & cords, <!-- / message --><!-- edit note --><!-- / message -->
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[Guardian 5]

Team - Latest KdA "order of battle" based on Oldflagswanted's list. Please correct or update as necessary.

All the best - TJ


Kampfgruppen Order of Battle

Babelsberg
“Walter Ulbricht” – Babelsberg
· Associated with Deutsche Akademie für Staats-u. Rechtswissenschaft
· Size & numerical designation unknown

Bautzen
154. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
· Awarded “Kurt Pchalek” Red Streamer
· Awarded “Green Streamer” on 7 OCT 75
203. Kampfgruppen-Zug
206. Kampfgruppen-Zug

Berlin
I. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.), Berlin
50. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.), Berlin-Mitte
100. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft, Berlin-Mitte

4. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) “Max Fritch,” Berlin-Prenzlauerberg
108. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft, Berlin-Prenzlauerberg
202. Kampfgruppen-Zug, Berlin-Prenzlauerberg
203. Kampfgruppen-Zug, Berlin-Prenzlauerberg
· Awarded “Hans Janocha” Red Streamer

12. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft, Berlin-Treptow

Bernau
151. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft

Bitterfeld
VEB Chemiekombinat Bitterfeld
· Size & numerical designation unknown

Brandenburg
201. Kampfgruppen-Zug

Calau
205. Kampfgruppen-Zug
· Awarded Red Beste Einheit wimpel 1985 -1987
· Awarded “Green Streamer” on 1 MAY 75

Cottbus
5. Kampfgruppen-Hundertshaft Cottbus
Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot) Cotbus
· Size & designation unknown

Dommitzsch/Elbe (Kreis Torgau – Elbe)
Kampfgruppe V. Hundertschaft

Dresden
107. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
155. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
264. Kampfgruppen-Zug

Forst
Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot)
· Associated with VEB Forster Tuchfabrike
· Numerical designation unknown
Kampfgruppen-Zug
· Designation unknown

Freiberg,
143. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
· Awarded Green Streamer on 7 OCT 73
· Awarded Beste Einheit wimple “1978”
· Awarded Beste Einheit wimple 1966/68
· Awarded “Robert Siewert” wimple on 1 MAY 85
· Awarded unknown red streamer on 1 MAY 75

Freital
64. Kampfgruppen-Zug

Güstrow
420. Kampfgruppen-Zug

Hagenow

Kampfgruppen-Zug
· BE-72/76/78/80/82

Herzberg
Kampfgruppen-Zug
· Size & designation unknown

Karl-Marx-Stadt
21. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.)

Kirschau
1.Hundertschaft

Ludwigsfelde
Kampfgruppenbataillon (mot.) “Arthur Ladwig”
· Affiliated with VEB Automobilwerke Ludwigsfelde

Magdeburg
KdA Detachment, VEB Stahl - u. Apparatebau
· Unit designator unknown
· Confirmed active 1960-1961

Merzdorf
Hundertschaft MTS-Bereich


Neubrandenburg
Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
· Designation unkown
· Awarded red streamer on 7 OCT 73
156. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft, “Horst Jonas”
209. Kampfgruppen-Zug
· Awarded “Banner der Arbeit” on 7 OCT 83

Neuruppen
Kampfgruppen-Zug
· Designation unknown

Niberode
Kampfgruppen-Bataillonshaft
· Designation unknown
Niesky
270. Kampfgruppen-Zug

Nordhausen
II. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot)
· Awarded Green Streamer on 7 OCT 74

Oranienburg
II. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.)
160. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
229. Kampfgruppen-Zug

Quedlindburg
145. Kampfgruppen-Hundertshaft

Perleberg
Kampfgruppen-Zug (numerical designation unknown)
· BE-66/70/82
· Bruno Schramm
· 1 Mai 72 streamer (red)

Pössneck
Kampfgruppen Hundertschaft Pössneck

Rathenow
26. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.)
· Awarded “Friedrich Engels” wimple on 7 OCT 78
· Awarded Green Streamer on 7 OCT 74

Reichenbach
119. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
223 Kampfgruppen-Zug
225. Kampfgruppen-Zug
Riesa
280. Kampfgruppen-Zug

Rostock
9. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.)
156. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
223. Kampfgruppen-Zug
· Awarded Besten Einheit wimple, dates unknown
192. Kampfgruppen-Batterie (Flak)

Rugen
169. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
· 7 Okt 74 streamer
15. Kampfgruppenzug
254. Kampfgruppenzug, 1. Mai 1976
276. Kampfgruppenzug, 07.10.1989 - Ehrenname "Kurt Bürger"
VEB Kreidewerke Rugen Klementelvitz

Schwerin
1. Selbständiger Zug, Bahnbetriebswerk Schwerin
421. Kampfgruppen-Zug
· Awarded Green Streamer on 1 MAY 74
· Awarded “Walter Griesbach” Honor Streamer on 7 OCT 77

Strausberg
34. Kampfgruppen-Zug (mot.)
219. Kampfgruppen-Zug
220. Kampfgruppen-Zug
262. Kampfgruppen-Zug

Straslund
6. Selbständiger Zug, VPKA, Straslund

Teterow
_8. Kampfgruppen-Zug

Weisswasser
238. Kampfgruppen-Zug

Wolgast
22. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.),
· Awarded Beste Einheit wimple 1966/68, 1980/82/85
· Awarded Green Streamer on 1 MAY 74
274. Kampfgruppen-Zug
· Awarded Beste Einheit wimple 1985/87
· Awarded Green Streamer on 1 MAY 74
275. Kampfgruppen-Zug
· Fahnenbänder: "Karl Kießling" (red) 1. Mai 1986
· "7. Okt. 1974" (green), mit Fahnenspitze

Zittau
Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft

Zossen
IV. Kampfgruppen-Battalion (mot.)
· Awarded Green Streamer on 7 OCT 75
238. Kampfgruppen-Zug

Designated Units; Location Unkown
Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Bruno Kuhn
Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot) Erich Weinert
62. Kampfgruppen-Zug
I/11 Hundertschaft, Kreis Mitte
412. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Deutsche Reichbann Fahr-komplex Mukran

Note: Estimated 12 KdA Flak Batteries in addition to Rostock Unit
Note: Per 1998 KdA unit map 2021 total possible units; 55 Bn, 526 HS, 1440 Zug.

[Dallasfan]

A few more KG Fahnen for the list .

62. Kampfgruppen-Zug Dresden , with Fahnenschleife '' Kurt Kuhles ''




Regards , Johan

[Dallasfan]

19. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft ( mot ) Dresden
with Fahnenschleife '' Otto Galle ''




Regards , Johan

[Dallasfan]

A few documents for Kampfgruppen Fahnen
All the documents are handsigned by Hans Modrow ( the successor of Willy Stoph in 1989 )

Document for the '' 113. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Dresden ''




Regards , Johan

[Dallasfan]

Document for the '' 214. Kampfgruppen-Zug Dresden ''



Regards , Johan

[Dallasfan]

Document for the '' 215. Kampfgruppen-Zug Dresden ''



Regards , Johan