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**Gom Jabbar** · 01-21-2009, 07:46 PM

9. Kampfgruppen Hundertschaft (mot.) Rostock

Sold on eBayfor 168 Euro

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**Gom Jabbar** · 01-21-2009, 07:49 PM

238. Kampfgruppen Zug Weisswasser

Sold on ebay for 170 Euro.

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**Gom Jabbar** · 01-21-2009, 07:54 PM

119. Kampfgruppen Hundertschaft Reichenbach

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**oldflagswanted** · 02-02-2009, 12:43 AM

Count now 58

Count now updated to 58, plus some other related types
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............................ OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........................

******** 02/01/09 List of Known Wreath Pattern KG unit flags *******

********(Large wreath, pole slip, lettering in upper left corner)*******
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1. #5. Kampfgruppen-Hundertshaft Cottbus, with document (source OFW)
2. #145. Kampfgruppen-Hundertshaft Quedlindburg (*, eBay#1167945870)
3. #262. Kampfgruppen-Zug Strausberg (*Oliver book)
4. #34. Kampfgruppen-Zug (mot.) Strausberg (*Oliver Book)
5. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Forst (*= photo verified)
6. #?8. Kampfgruppen-Zug Teterow (*)
7. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Neuruppen (*)
8. #? Kampfgruppen-Bataillonshaft ?Niberode (*Oliver Book, pg 93) <-- ???
9. #64. Kampfgruppen-Zug Freital (*)
10. #206. Kampfgruppen-Zug Bautzen (*, & formerly DHH)
11. #1. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Berlin (*1983-KG books)
12. #107. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Dresden (source DHH)
13. #155. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Dresden (source DHH)
14. #203. Kampfgruppen-Zug Bautzen (source DHH)
15. #62. Kampfgruppen-Zug ?location? (*eBay #6132614203 Nov04)
16. #? Kampfgruppen-? ?location? (was on W-A Forum e-stand) <--- ???
17. #154 Kampfgruppen-Hundrertschaft Bautzen (*online auction)
.....(with Kurt Pchalek red streamer & 7Oct1975 Green streamer)
18. #26. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Rathenow, (*WA-Forum)
.....(with Friedrich Engels 7 Oct 78 red streamer, & 7 Oct 74 Green).
19. #22. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Wolgast, (*WA-Forum)
…...(with 66/68,80/82/85 red streamer, & 1 Mai. 1974 Green).
20. #50. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Berlin-Mitte, (*WA-Forum)
21. #100. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Berlin-Mitte, (*WA-Forum)
22. #12. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Berlin -Treptow, (*WA-Forum)
23. #238. Kampfgruppen-Zug Zossen, (*WA-Forum)
24. #IV. Kampfgruppen-Battalion (mot.) Zossen, (*WA-Forum)
.....(with 7. Oktober 1975 green streamer)
25. #220. Kampfgruppen-Zug Strasburg, (*WA-Forum)
26. #209. Kampfgruppen-Zug Neubrandenburg, (*Gz-Forum)
.....(with 07.10.1983 red streamer)
27. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hunderschaft Neubrandenburg, (*Gz-Forum)
.....(with 07.10.1973 red streamer)
28. #219. Kampfgruppen-Zug Strasburg, (*Gz-Forum)
29. #223. Kampfgruppen-Zug Rostock, (*Gz-Forum)
30. #192. Kampfgruppen-Batterie (Flak) Rostock, (*WA-Forum)
31. (No#?) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Zittau, document only (")
32. #225. Kampfgruppen-Zug Reichenbach, (*WAF GJ via eBay)
33. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hunderschaft Reichenbach, (*WAF " )
34. #223 Kampfgruppen-Zug Reichenbach, (*eBay 299 Euros, OFW)
35. #143. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Freiberg, (*source GJ)
.....(with 7.Okt1973 green, 978 BE red, BE66/68 red, Robert
.....Siewert 1.Mai 1985 red streamer)
36. #151. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Bernau, (*CZ Auction 450 Euros)
37. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot) Forst (*& doc., 800 Euros)
38. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot) Cotbus (* 650 Euros)
39. II. Kampfgruppen-Battaillon (mot) Nordhausen, 7.Okt74 green, *1KE
40. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Herzberg, 01.05.80 red+top,(*1000 Euros)
.....Source list #39/40 SG Auction Italy, as cited on WAF.
41. 156. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Rostock, ebay #320325417163*
42. 421. Kampfgruppen-Zug Schwerin, "170287455472*, 1Mai74 green
.....streamer and Walter Griesbach Honor named 7Oct77 red streamer.
43. 4. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Berlin-Prenzlauerberg+doc*J-D
44. 203. Kampfgruppen-Zug Berlin-Prenzlauerberg, Hans Janocha red*"
45. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Berlin-Prenzlauerberg*"
46. 108. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Berlin-Prenzlauerberg, *Johan-D
47. 202. Kampfgruppen-Zug Berlin-Prenzlauerberg, *Johan-Dallasfan
48. 274. Kampfgruppen-Zug Wolgast, BE 85/87, Green 1Mai74, *"(J-D)
49. 205. Kampfgruppen-Zug Calau, Red-BE, Green 1Mai75, *Johan-D
50. 420. Kampfgruppen-Zug Gustrow, heavy cotton as all listed above.
51. 229. Kampfgruppen-Zug Oranienburg, *J-D
52. 160. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Oranienburg, *J-D
53. II. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Oranienburg, *J-D
54. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Perleberg, BE-66/70/82, Bruno Schramm,
.......plus red 1 Mai 72 streamer + red KG cords, on ebay 193 Euros, *GJ
55. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Hagenow, BE-72/76/78/80/82 + cords, "
56. 238. Kampfgruppen-Zug Weisswasser, sold for 170 Euros, *GJ.
57. 9. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Rostock, 168 Euros, *GJ.
58. 119. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Reichenbach, *eBay 220354748711
.......with pole top and trooping harness. 369 Euros min start bid.
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Question: 51-53 same unit growing larger, or separate at same time?
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***(KG Honor flag pattern, with pole loops and silken field material)***
H1. 4. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot) Max Fritch, +doc, *J-D
......small wreath, above and below large arc lettering.
H2. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot) Erich Weinert, Johan-Dallasfan, WAF
......large wreath, above and below large arc lettering.
H3. 1.HS. Kirschau (corner square 2 sides), loops, no wreath, cotton*DHH
H4. (No#) Walter Ulbricht - Babelsberg, loops, no w", arc lettered, *DHH
H5. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Bruno Kuhn, loops, *J-D,
......small wreath, above and below large arc lettering. (H6 also *J-D)
H6. 1 Selbstandiger Zug Bahnbetriebswerk Schwerin, loops, no wreath
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Interesting to note repeat 223 unit numbers, wonder why ???
Same question for repeat 238 unit numbers, above list #23 & #56.
Also it would be interesting to find a list of KG unit Honor names.
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Per 1998 KG unit Map 2021 possible total; 55 Bn, 526 HS, 1440 Zug.
************************************************** ******
V-1. Volkspolize-Kreisamt Herzberg, complete on original pole, *OFW
V-2. Volkspolize-Kreisamt Jessen, with documents, top+green-s,*GJ
V-3. Volkspolize-Kreisamt Weiss Wasser, +green streamer & cords, *?

**DougD** · 02-15-2009, 06:22 PM

E fraud

The examples that Gom Jabber has shown (he is NOT the seller, he just posted them here) were "sold" on German Ebay..however the seller ripped off all three buyers (he had three KG flags) so be very wary if you see any of these again. You can find one of them ( a friend 'won' it) if you look up 170287456602 on German E-bay...you can see the feedback on all three yourself.

**oldflagswanted** · 02-15-2009, 10:10 PM

about KG unit flag list photo sources ???

Originally posted by DougD View Post

The examples that Gom Jabber has shown (he is NOT the seller, he just posted them here) were "sold" on German Ebay..however the seller ripped off all three buyers (he had three KG flags) so be very wary if you see any of these again. You can find one of them ( a friend 'won' it) if you look up 170287456602 on German E-bay...you can see the feedback on all three yourself.

<CENTER>Doug:
Those cited in my now known to exist KG unit flag list are indeed just
the confirmation photo source, and are not cited as the flag owner or
seller, so thanks for making that point more clear by your posting.
Sorry to hear that some folks are having problems with certain KG
unit flag sales, guess I should have expected such based on the noted
low prices some were listed and sold for. Those on the Italian auction
went for around a 1000 Euros each which is I think more in
line with their true value, but then again that also might have been
due to flag unit place names like Nordhausen.

<h1>OLDFLAGSWANTED</h1>

</CENTER>

**Gom Jabbar** · 04-10-2009, 09:22 AM

A nice lot that was on ebay, the auction was ended earlier.

169. Kampfgruppen Hundertschaft Rügen
with streamer 7. Oktober 1974

VEB Kreidewerke Rügen Klementelvitz (Rügen)

5 documents:

Kampfgruppenfahne an den 254. Kampfgruppenzug, 1. Mai 1976

Kampfgruppenfahne an den 276. Kampfgruppenzug, 07.10.1989

276 Kampfgruppenzug wird der Ehrenname "Kurt Bürger"

Kampfgruppenfahne an den 15. Kampfgruppenzug

Kampfgruppenfahne an die 169. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft

and a few streamers:

3 streamers "Beste Einheit" 2,0 m x 12 cm

1 "Beste Einheit 35 Jahre Kampfgruppen" 2,0 m x 12 cm

1 "Komitee Antifaschistische Widerstandskämpfer" ZENTRALLEITUNG 75 cm x 19 cm

Wimpel "25 Jahre Kampfgruppen"

Wimpel "30 Jahre Kampfgruppen 1983" + "Teilnehmer am Kampfapell Berlin"

Wimpel "35 Jahre Kampfgruppen 1988"

Wimpel "25 Jahre Antifaschistischer Schutzwall 1986"

2 X Wimpel "Beste Einheit"

**torstenbel** · 04-10-2009, 10:20 AM

wow...where they all for sale as one lot on ebay??

Cheers, Torsten.

**torstenbel** · 04-10-2009, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by DougD View Post

The examples that Gom Jabber has shown (he is NOT the seller, he just posted them here) were "sold" on German Ebay..however the seller ripped off all three buyers (he had three KG flags) so be very wary if you see any of these again. You can find one of them ( a friend 'won' it) if you look up 170287456602 on German E-bay...you can see the feedback on all three yourself.

looks like at least one of the buyers actually received his flag. Cheers, Torsten.

**DougD** · 04-10-2009, 10:28 AM

KGB Flag

My friend finally, after 3 months, got his KG flag!

**Gom Jabbar** · 04-10-2009, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by torstenbel View Post

wow...where they all for sale as one lot on ebay??

Cheers, Torsten.

The seller ended the auction earlier, I think he received a good offer for the lot.
Here is the ebay link: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=300304111842

**Dallasfan** · 04-10-2009, 12:20 PM

Hello

I just saw that the document for the 276. Kampfgruppenzug was awarded
on 7-10-1989 !! this must be the last , or one of the last flags beeing awarded
to a unit ( remember just 11 days later Honecker was sacked )
maybe OFW can tell us more about this
I didnt see this grouping on ebay , I almost dont buy anymore these days .

Regards , Johan

**oldflagswanted** · 04-10-2009, 12:31 PM

Now 59 known ???

Count now updated to 59, plus some other related types
..................................

.................................

............................ OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........................

******** 04/10/09 List of Known Wreath Pattern KG unit flags *******

********(Large wreath, pole slip, lettering in upper left corner)*******
----------------------------------------------------------------------
1. #5. Kampfgruppen-Hundertshaft Cottbus, with document (source OFW)
2. #145. Kampfgruppen-Hundertshaft Quedlindburg (*, eBay#1167945870)
3. #262. Kampfgruppen-Zug Strausberg (*Oliver book)
4. #34. Kampfgruppen-Zug (mot.) Strausberg (*Oliver Book)
5. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Forst (*= photo verified)
6. #?8. Kampfgruppen-Zug Teterow (*)
7. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Neuruppen (*)
8. #? Kampfgruppen-Bataillonshaft ?Niberode (*Oliver Book, pg 93) <-- ???
9. #64. Kampfgruppen-Zug Freital (*)
10. #206. Kampfgruppen-Zug Bautzen (*, & formerly DHH)
11. #1. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Berlin (*1983-KG books)
12. #107. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Dresden (source DHH)
13. #155. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Dresden (source DHH)
14. #203. Kampfgruppen-Zug Bautzen (source DHH)
15. #62. Kampfgruppen-Zug ?location? (*eBay #6132614203 Nov04)
16. #? Kampfgruppen-? ?location? (was on W-A Forum e-stand) <--- ???
17. #154 Kampfgruppen-Hundrertschaft Bautzen (*online auction)
.....(with Kurt Pchalek red streamer & 7Oct1975 Green streamer)
18. #26. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Rathenow, (*WA-Forum)
.....(with Friedrich Engels 7 Oct 78 red streamer, & 7 Oct 74 Green).
19. #22. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Wolgast, (*WA-Forum)
…...(with 66/68,80/82/85 red streamer, & 1 Mai. 1974 Green).
20. #50. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Berlin-Mitte, (*WA-Forum)
21. #100. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Berlin-Mitte, (*WA-Forum)
22. #12. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Berlin -Treptow, (*WA-Forum)
23. #238. Kampfgruppen-Zug Zossen, (*WA-Forum)
24. #IV. Kampfgruppen-Battalion (mot.) Zossen, (*WA-Forum)
.....(with 7. Oktober 1975 green streamer)
25. #220. Kampfgruppen-Zug Strasburg, (*WA-Forum)
26. #209. Kampfgruppen-Zug Neubrandenburg, (*Gz-Forum)
.....(with 07.10.1983 red streamer)
27. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hunderschaft Neubrandenburg, (*Gz-Forum)
.....(with 07.10.1973 red streamer)
28. #219. Kampfgruppen-Zug Strasburg, (*Gz-Forum)
29. #223. Kampfgruppen-Zug Rostock, (*Gz-Forum)
30. #192. Kampfgruppen-Batterie (Flak) Rostock, (*WA-Forum)
31. (No#?) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Zittau, document only (")
32. #225. Kampfgruppen-Zug Reichenbach, (*WAF GJ via eBay)
33. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hunderschaft Reichenbach, (*WAF " )
34. #223 Kampfgruppen-Zug Reichenbach, (*eBay 299 Euros, OFW)
35. #143. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Freiberg, (*source GJ)
.....(with 7.Okt1973 green, 978 BE red, BE66/68 red, Robert
.....Siewert 1.Mai 1985 red streamer)
36. #151. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Bernau, (*CZ Auction 450 Euros)
37. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot) Forst (*& doc., 800 Euros)
38. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot) Cotbus (* 650 Euros)
39. II. Kampfgruppen-Battaillon (mot) Nordhausen, 7.Okt74 green, *1KE
40. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Herzberg, 01.05.80 red+top,(*1000 Euros)
.....Source list #39/40 SG Auction Italy, as cited on WAF.
41. 156. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Rostock, ebay #320325417163*
42. 421. Kampfgruppen-Zug Schwerin, "170287455472*, 1Mai74 green
.....streamer and Walter Griesbach Honor named 7Oct77 red streamer.
43. 4. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Berlin-Prenzlauerberg+doc*J-D
44. 203. Kampfgruppen-Zug Berlin-Prenzlauerberg, Hans Janocha red*"
45. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Berlin-Prenzlauerberg*"
46. 108. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Berlin-Prenzlauerberg, *Johan-D
47. 202. Kampfgruppen-Zug Berlin-Prenzlauerberg, *Johan-Dallasfan
48. 274. Kampfgruppen-Zug Wolgast, BE 85/87, Green 1Mai74, *"(J-D)
49. 205. Kampfgruppen-Zug Calau, Red-BE, Green 1Mai75, *Johan-D
50. 420. Kampfgruppen-Zug Gustrow, heavy cotton as all listed above.
51. 229. Kampfgruppen-Zug Oranienburg, *J-D
52. 160. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Oranienburg, *J-D
53. II. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Oranienburg, *J-D
54. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Perleberg, BE-66/70/82, Bruno Schramm,
.......plus red 1 Mai 72 streamer + red KG cords, on ebay 193 Euros, *GJ
55. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Hagenow, BE-72/76/78/80/82 + cords, "
56. 238. Kampfgruppen-Zug Weisswasser, sold for 170 Euros, *GJ.
57. 9. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Rostock, 168 Euros, *GJ.
58. 119. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Reichenbach, *eBay 220354748711
.......with pole top and trooping harness. 369 Euros min start bid.
59. 169. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Rugen, *eBay 300304111842
......with top, 7.Okt74 and other streamers, and documents
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Question: 51-53 same unit growing larger, or separate at same time?
************************************************** ******
***(KG Honor flag pattern, with pole loops and silken field material)***
H1. 4. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot) Max Fritch, +doc, *J-D
......small wreath, above and below large arc lettering.
H2. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot) Erich Weinert, Johan-Dallasfan, WAF
......large wreath, above and below large arc lettering.
H3. 1.HS. Kirschau (corner square 2 sides), loops, no wreath, cotton*DHH
H4. (No#) Walter Ulbricht - Babelsberg, loops, no w", arc lettered, *DHH
H5. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Bruno Kuhn, loops, *J-D,
......small wreath, above and below large arc lettering. (H6 also *J-D)
H6. 1 Selbstandiger Zug Bahnbetriebswerk Schwerin, loops, no wreath
H7. VEB Kreidewerke Rugen Klementelvitz (Rugen)
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Interesting to note repeat 223 unit numbers, wonder why ???
Same question for repeat 238 unit numbers, above list #23 & #56.
Also it would be interesting to find a list of KG unit Honor names.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Per 1998 KG unit Map 2021 possible total; 55 Bn, 526 HS, 1440 Zug.
************************************************** ******
V-1. Volkspolize-Kreisamt Herzberg, complete on original pole, *OFW
V-2. Volkspolize-Kreisamt Jessen, with documents, top+green-s,*GJ
V-3. Volkspolize-Kreisamt Weiss Wasser, +green streamer & cords,

**torstenbel** · 04-10-2009, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Gom Jabbar View Post

The seller ended the auction earlier, I think he received a good offer for the lot.
Here is the ebay link: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=300304111842

well, I think I would have made a good offer too for this lot ... Cheers, Torsten.

**Soviet** · 04-10-2009, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by Dallasfan View Post

I didnt see this grouping on ebay , I almost dont buy anymore these days .
Johan

Why, do you have too much in your collection? Just let me know if that is the case!

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