Any DAK items

[Bond]

Mark,

I agree it seems to have come off a cap and is just a nice one to have should I come across a cap in need. Its just so damn hard to find the 1st model ones...

Jerry,

I will try to find that thread that outlines the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd model cockades tonight. Matt

Thanks Matt, that would be great if you can find it.

Regards,

Jerry

[Mark Gibson]

1st model tropical cockade on a 1940 dated Lago manufactured cap.

[Mark Gibson]

2nd Model tropical cockade on a 1941 dated Robert Lubstein manufactured cap.

[Mark Gibson]

3rd model tropical cockade on a 1942 dated Alfred Valet manufactured cap.
I'm not sure who owns this cap so I hope that the owner doesn't mind me using the pics. I just didn't have any examples of 3rd model cockades on caps in my collection as I only collect early examples.

Mark

[Mark Gibson]

Here is one more pic of a 1st pattern tropical cockade on a 1940 dated Gustav Thomas, clearly showing the folded edges all around the this type of insignia.
Not as clear on the Emil Schebeler sidecap below but still obviously a 1st pattern.

Mark

[Mark Gibson]

Two 2nd pattern cockades from front and back with only the edges on two opposing sides folded over before being sewn to a cap.

[Bond]

Thanks Mark for posting these pictures of the cockade variations. Are 1st patterns constructed the same way as 2nd patterns, except in terms of the fabric allowed to fold behind them, whilst 3rd patterns have a different construction, but again only have enough excess fabric to fold behind on 2 sides. Or are there other differences between 1st and 2nd patterns?

Thanks and regards,

Jerry

[Mark Gibson]

Hello Jerry,

The 1st pattern is your standard pre/early war design being cut from a roll and having all four sides folded under. I've attached a pic of an example from Hiscoll Military Antiques (I hope that you don't mind me using your pic Mario).

The 2nd pattern had two opposing sides folded under as the other two sides were the edge of the roll, like the 3rd, but made of different material.

Mark

[Bond]

Thanks again Mark. I think I can illustrate your point (correctly?) using the examples from my collection (not tropical).

Regards,

Jerry

[Mark Gibson]

Not quite Jerry, here is a better example using the pic from Mario and an example of a 3rd pattern that I found on the forum belonging to Milan Gard. The middle one, 2nd pattern, belongs to me.

Note that the top and bottom edges of the 2nd and 3rd patterns are also the edges of the roll, as opposed to a 1st pattern with the edges of the roll at points rather than along edges.

Mark

[Bond]

Not quite Jerry, here is a better example using the pic from Mario and an example of a 3rd pattern that I found on the forum belonging to Milan Gard. The middle one, 2nd pattern, belongs to me.

Note that the top and bottom edges of the 2nd and 3rd patterns are also the edges of the roll, as opposed to a 1st pattern with the edges of the roll at points rather than along edges.

Mark

Doh!!! I understood the sequence for tropical, except that one detail. I realised that the 1st pattern are at an angle to the roll, whilst 2nd & 3rd pattern are parallel to the roll, though some of mine are parallel but not tight against the edge on two sides.

Ok, I can see the differences, it must mean that tropical do not follow the same sequence as the others I posted, which might be a mixture of Heer and K Art.

Regards,

Jerry

[afrikasandman]

Mark,

thank you for posting the different models in that one photo, it makes it all crystal clear! Matt

[Mark Gibson]

It would have been great to have a photo on file of an original tropical 1st pattern not sewn to a cap but I'm looking for one for this baby here, so will have to wait until I find one.

Mark

[teka]

some recent finds, a few Luftwaffe birds. Hope you like them!

[Mark Gibson]

Some original boots for your viewing pleasure.
Top photo: On the left, a pair of 2nd patterns and on the right 1st patterns.
Bottom photo: soles of the 2nd pattern boots.

Mark