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    #976
    Hi Tim,
    no this one was definitely a tan tunic which has been chemically bleached. The remaining shadows under pockets and in the interior are quite obviously from a tan tunic when held in hand. Unfortunately I didn't take enough photos of this one but will make sure that I don't make the same mistake with future photography of tunics.
    This photo is the closest which I have to showing underneath the collar. It isn't obvious in the photo but there are very slight shadows where the shoulder straps sat.

    Take care

    Mark
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      #977
      Mark(s)

      Thanks for correction, can't tell olive from tan sometimes with my pc.
      I understand that the early 1st pattern had a smaller upper pocket than later ?
      How long did the 1st pattern tunics display the smaller upper pocket (that could not hold the soldbach) ? just 1940 ? And what are the measurments of the smaller pocket ? Can either of you show a photo of an early DAK tunic with the small upper pockets ?

      thanks
      Tim

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        #978
        Good point Tim.
        Here you go.
        Mark.
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          #979
          I have always understood this to be a 1940 example due to the material and size of the top pockets...(size stamps are clear, there is no issue stamp).
          Not 100% clear, but the pocket is wide enough to take the soldbuch comfortably.
          Mark.
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          Last edited by NZMark; 03-28-2008, 03:11 AM.

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            #980
            This shot clearly shows the wash fading and size markings. Mark G's tunic shows a magnificent comparison in variety.
            Mark.
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              #981
              Very well displayed Mark and your tunic is definitely an early example. I have five 1st pattern tunics and four of these will not take a Soldbuch in the breast pockets. The maximum height of these pockets is about 5 1/2 inches with the actual pocket space available being 5 1/4 inches. Two of these tunics are dated 1940, one 1941 and the other is an early green tunic which I expect is either late '40 or very early '41. The tunic which does have enough pocket space at 6 1/2 inches in height is the '42 dated tan tunic.
              Unfortunately I don't have any soldbuchs but did look up measurements on the Collectors Guild with the standard seeming to be 5 3/4 x 4 1/4 inches.
              One feature which I find quite noticeable on some early tunics is the fact that the flap on the breast pockets tends to look larger when compared with later tunics probably due to the shortness of the actual pocket. Having measured all of the tunic pockets, this flap is 2 1/2 inches on all of the examples in my collection.

              Mark
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              Last edited by Mark Gibson; 03-26-2008, 06:31 AM.

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                #982
                A new arrival .... not a DAK tunic (or perhaps a very late one?)
                From an estate sale in Ontario, Canada. I do not know if the shoulder boards are original to the tunic .
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                Robert
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                    #984
                    Robert,
                    Quite a nice looking 3rd pattern tropical tunic. Definitely too late to be DAK and actually looks to be in far too good condition to have seen much wear. I'm sure that there is a photograph of an Officer in 3rd pattern tunic in Tunisia somewhere on the forum. If I can find it I will provide a link.
                    Panzer Regiment 8 is very interesting as I do have a tunic with insignia for this very Regiment.
                    I should ask what is the date on the acceptance stamp in your tunic? Would I also be correct in saying that your example has buttons around the collar or am I actually seeing part of the coat hangar?

                    Mark
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                      #985
                      This tunic is a '41 dated example in a light material of olive brown colour. It is one of the examples with pockets too small for a soldbuch, so definitely early. All insignia has been replaced with Officers Continental insignia and I see very little traces of the original tabs or eagle. The tabs were definitely replaced as the tunic does display very light fading with no shadows from em's tabs, so I'm confident that this insignia was added by the Officer who wore it.
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                        #986
                        Finally the boards with Panzer Regiment 8 cyphers. These sit well into the board and appear orginal to the boards. This was definitely a very nice addition to the collection.

                        Mark
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                          #987
                          For once I can post something related to the thread (although already posted before in the thread)
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                            #988
                            Hi Robert,
                            Indeed, nice 3rd pattern. The devil is in the details of the insignia application on field modified tunics. Very sharp condition for an issued item. I'd also like to see a shot of the depot stamps?
                            Mark G....
                            Mark.
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                            Last edited by NZMark; 03-26-2008, 11:49 PM.

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                              #989
                              Mark and Mark,

                              Thank you for posting you gorgeous tunics,

                              I’m sorry for my low quality photos posted earlier , they were taken at night ....the color is more like olive/brown.
                              The breast eagle is original to the tunic but the officer collar insignia should be described as “the unusual flat wire type”, similar to the photo on page 17 of Robert Kurtz’s book “AFRIKAKORPS”,are they often encountered ? The tunic is dated F43 and has no buttons around the collar.

                              Regards,
                              _____________
                              Robert
                              Last edited by Robert T.; 03-27-2008, 01:02 PM.

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                                #990
                                Hi Robert,
                                Thanks for the information. A quick query - in post #996 your tunic appears to have it's lower pockets sewn flat to the tunics body? I'm almost sure this is a trick of the light, but can you confirm that?
                                Regards,
                                Mark T.
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