maker marks, names, regiment marks, dates and patterns on Zeltbahns

[camo master]

Hi John

Nice zelt you found - are you able to read the full RBNr or is it too faint?

Interesting mix of zinc and steel buttons. Steel ones look like they have paint on them - can you post a close up of just the steel button so we can see the paint color?

Cheers
Mark

[grndevil44]

hi Mark

unfortunatly just washed steel (bottom) alloy (top)

rb looks like 0/0591

[camo master]

Thanks for posting those John.

From what I've found so far, the last 4 numbers of your RBNr. could be 0010 or 0011.

Cheers
Mark

[grndevil44]

not a rotated button hole or four piece zelt (not yet anyway) but liked the "top hat"

[grndevil44]

Now this struck me just the other day, coincidence? or same maker?

Webber & Ott still make stuff today

[Benny]

Hey. Good question. It could be the same maker. Best Regards Benny

[Hans Zeug]

Latest zelts.

Hello,here is one of my two zelts purchased at Beltring.It's hard to show in the pictures but it seems to have a heavier print of the raindrops with less gaps and a nice subdued shade of brown. Unmarked,just a nice maker variant colour wise here compared to a nice 1941 zelt. Whilst at the show I asked several well known UK dealers whether they recognised the slight diferences in Heer zelts (ie.alternate angled button holes etc) one knew of the differences but apart from the brown zelts wouldn't charge any more for variations the other UK dealer had never heard of the angled button holed zelt but would now charge more for that type (d'oh! ). Plenty of zelts still available for sale at the show,no sign of the supply drying up yet!Regards David.

[Hans Zeug]

Zeltbahn Nr 2.

Here is the other zelt that I bought at the show.A some what bullet riddled example with a relly dark dark side,RbNr on the usual side, this is the second zelt I have seen with this unusual colouration, a printer's variation or complete cock up! I guess we will never know. Good day.

[Hans Zeug]

#3 4 pics.

Two more pics,buttons obviously replaced.

[marcinkappa]

Thanks for sharing ! Lovely examples

[camo master]

Now this struck me just the other day, coincidence? or same maker?

Webber & Ott still make stuff today

Hi John,
I had the same thoughts and I think your observation is correct.

On the master RBNr list I have 0954 is, as usual for zelt manufactures, not there but 0952, 0953 and 0955 are. All are in Bayern close to Forchheim where W & O was located after they moved from Furth in the '30's.

0952 and 53 are for Furth and Nurnberg. 0955 is for Lauf.
So there is a great possibility this is W&O's RBNr.

There are some other RBNr's with large date fonts stamps like 0/0155/0030 but this is from the Sachsen area in Saxony so likely not W&O.

Just makes me wonder if more correlations could be done matching RBNr's to manufacturer names this way.

Cheers for bringing this up.
Mark

[camo master]

Hey David,

You now have some super zelts in your collection which seems to be growing by the day……. thanks for sharing these great pieces.

Apart from the interesting and unusual dark colour in post 323, is the off registration line which is the whitish line on the left side of the "large land mass" in the left panel (also present in the right panel but more visible in the left)

Normally the ground colour was printed as a solid colour and then the brown and green splinters and rain drops printed over top of this solid ground color. (I also believe that the splinters and rain strokes were printed first with the solid ground printed over top which is one reason we see so many variations in the colours). Often we see off registrations between the brown and green splinters but it is very rare to have this between the ground colour and splinters. It means the ground colour was printed with knock outs to accommodate the splinters.

If my memory servers me this is only the 2nd zelt I've seen printed this way so I think its a very special piece and one I would welcome in my collection in a heart beat.

If the colour in these pics is close to the actual bluish green ground colour seen here then that is also very interesting.

Looking through my list of zelt RBNr's I think yours might be 0/1264/0001 although its been so distorted.

Great to see this thread brought back to life..
Cheers
Mark

[camo master]

Here's a pic of a similar RBNr to yours. Same digits match the visible ones in your stamp and the weight and shape of the font seems to be similar. Not common to find zelts with RBNr's stamps 0/1*** (apologies for the poor quality pic)

Cheers
Mark

[Hans Zeug]

Zelt variations.

Hi Mark et al,thanks for your interesting input Mark as usual some interesting thoughts on the subject, had to reread your thread to work out the details but got it now. The white edge showing some time seen on other camo prints I would have said was screen misalignment but I see what you you are saying about the field being left vacant for the splinter pattern. A person I spoke to at the show said he had seen a zeltbahn for sale on e.bay that had the splinter colours reversed just like some of the winter padded jackets. Is this likely and have you seen one such as this? Realise that you may not give away to many of the little details with the regards to the release of your book on zelts in the hopefully not to distant future. Best regards David.

[marcinkappa]

A person I spoke to at the show said he had seen a zeltbahn for sale on e.bay that had the splinter colours reversed

That would be something to see that beast
Personally I think it is possible to find such zelts although it won`t be easy