Estand italian camo wrap

[NickG]

There were factories making workswear from SS camo (see the "m45 style"short dot jackets, all postwar made for workwear).

The planetree bluse bears no resemblance to any wartime field made thing with any provenance, much mess any of the styles on photos. There are literally countless examples of postwar things made from SS camo - one of the museums in Germany had a child's jacket made from a planetree 1/2 zelt (can't remember which museum?).

Again, it's a cool jacket, but to claim it as wartime made is hanging onto threads. I recommend looking at pics of Wiking and III./Nordland to see what the actual field made blusen looked like.

True many alterations were done after the war...like this second example that started life as a DOT wrapper made in Ravensbruck….The first one looks believable as war time for me...

[NickG]

But back to my piece...

[NickG]

Is it a design that can be considered suitable a post war "work smock"? YES

Is it a design that did not exist during the war? NO

Is it a design that can be considered suitable during the war? YES


"Stand up" collar simple drillich fatigue uniforms existed in the KM and SS.

[NickG]

So from a design point of view it is totally within the realm of WW2 fatigue wear designs and it mimics stand up collar leather panzer jackets (ex-KM).
Even the 3 seam back mimics standard production German fatigue jackets...
Does that make it for sure a WW2 piece....NO
Does that for sure make it a post war piece....NO
We just don't know. This is the final conclusion (at least for me)!

[NickG]

similar construction even...3 panel back...not something simple 1946 ish…

Perhaps a work smock (us used as a simple apron) might have a simpler single piece back?
Last images more collarless (stand up collar) garment examples...(drillich/fatigue=
similar design)

[NickG]

To call it absolutely 100% post war from a design point of view is a stretch...I guess I am just more open minded...
All good!

[NickG]

Hem... Just sayin'... pairs up nicely with this SS drilich…(albeit the collar and upper chest seam...and no drawstring (but its a tougher/stiffer cloth too)
made from zelt pieces, so why not? Stuff like that happened..Company tailors (Kompanie Feld Schneiderei) copying existing patterns...
recycling zelt...for camo purposes, as rain wear...Who knows...

[Lenny W]

The wrapper seems to have been made in already used cloth and with no traces at all of any wear ...
Same position : hand inspection is the only solution to be sure !
Nick

Would it be a period piece or some post war creation ?

[kammo man]

Who are you trying to convince ?

[NickG]

Would it be a period piece or some post war creation ?

Both pieces are parked at my brother's place, (also a collector) so I have not seen them yet...and he believes both pieces appear to be ww2...but that's his opinion...He did the hands on.
Italian camo wrapper is not later made with used zelt...It has some wear areas but in outstanding condition he stated.
The fatigue style SS smock on the other hand has much more wear and the construction is old.
Not newly made with beat up zelt… When it was made is anybody's guess. Kammoman's opinion is just that...an opinion.

[kammo man]

Its NOT a smock.
Its a jacket.
At least get the terminology correct.

[NickG]

Its NOT a smock.
Its a jacket.
At least get the terminology correct.

You crack me up Owen!
SMOCK: (English dictionary) " loose coatlike outer garment, often worn to protect the clothes while working..." (in a factory in 1946 perhaps?)

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First it is a post war workers protective garment...(i.e. it is a SMOCK)
so I use the word "smock"...

and now it is a jacket.
OK fine AGREED!
It is a WW2 camouflage JACKET made by a company tailor! Settled!

[kammo man]

The Cammo coat is not a loose fitting smock
It’s a work - chore jacket

What’s Apparent here is now you bought a real piece of SS camouflage you have turned into a bore about it.

Move on Nick please
This has become an exercise in stupid posts on your part.


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[Willi Z.]

Owen, you are just wasting your time and getting worked up.

Are you going to the Max?

[kammo man]

Saddly No Willi
I will be in New Mexico on a show.
No war stuff for me.
Pm me though I have VERY intresting news.
o