E-stand SS Panzer tunic

[Sonderkommando]

Here's a question for you John, how do you know that eagle was stitched on pre '45?
Answer is you don't know when it was stitched on...could have been '43, '53, '63 etc so there is no way you can honestly state that SS tunic is "untouched".

Dried clay and heavy stains on it proves nothing. It could have been stripped in '45 and worn in a POW camp for all you know.

If restitched insignia proves it's real and just been washed, then anything is acceptable for an "untouched" original SS jacket.

[John Pic]

Here's a question for you John, how do you know that eagle was stitched on pre '45?
Answer is you don't know when it was stitched on...could have been '43, '53, '63 etc so there is no way you can honestly state that SS tunic is "untouched".

Dried clay and heavy stains on it proves nothing. It could have been stripped in '45 and worn in a POW camp for all you know.

If restitched insignia proves it's real and just been washed, then anything is acceptable for an "untouched" original SS jacket.

Actually it is only you that doesn't know. I know where it came from. You're are just making an opinion on observation only.

[John Pic]

Oh I know plenty about SS uniforms

Are you telling me that all the SS field uniforms that have "originally stitched" insignia were never cleaned in 6 years of war?

Hang in there, you'll pick it up as well after awhile

No, I don't think you do.

[John Pic]

[John Pic]

Most of the real wartime field tunics had collar insignias sewn on by hand. This type of tunic did not need to be sent to a cleaners it could be hand washed out in the field.

[John Pic]

Collar tabs on two different faked tunics …..wide litze.

[collector19]

Sorry if I´m a bit slowly with getting it but in my eyes the litze on the fake tunics looks as wide as it does on the original one?!

[AntiqueWW2]

Actually it is only you that doesn't know. I know where it came from. You're are just making an opinion on observation only.

Most important Point, and i can't repeat it often enough

When you know where your Stuff came from you will always catch a good night of sleep. Btw, the Tunic from John is something i would take all day long every day 24/7 over a restored blink blink Garbage

[wolfslair]

Most important Point, and i can't repeat it often enough

When you know where your Stuff came from you will always catch a good night of sleep. Btw, the Tunic from John is something i would take all day long every day 24/7 over a restored blink blink Garbage

Still waiting for your original unrestored WSS officers tunic.
So far, you are all words and wind. You’ve still answered my second question.
In your “professional” opinion - is the Panzer tunic restored or unrestored?

[richthofen_117]

Collar tabs on two different faked tunics …..wide litze.

Compare the Panzer tunic's tab with the 2 fakes you posted, do you think the litzes are the same width?

[richthofen_117]

In those photos I just see standard width Litze , photos unless close ups and clear are not good indicators , the guy in the bottom has no Litze.

I mean, the guy in the bottom has thick bullion wire on tabs.

[John Pic]

I mean, the guy in the bottom has thick bullion wire on tabs.

Yes I do, the litze, on the tunics in the photos you posted and if you look on my old tunic , are about 1/4 narrower than those on the fake tunics I posted. I am not saying it is fake, I am saying that I do not like it because it often shows up on faked tunics. I weigh all these factors...



1. the tunic is in factory condition like it was just made last week.

2. almost no wear or use...even closet sleepers had some wear and use. although it's possible some did not. That feel of age is still there..

3. Panzer boards, yet no cuff title ? The majority of SS panzer units were from titled divisions
4. it's nice but without proof it is just an example.

Now compare with the Cavalry officer, the 1 cypher was correct for the 1st SS Cavalry Brigade a unit that did not wear a cufftitle while intact , later men were sent out to Florian Geyer and Maria Theresa yet photos show that many in these units still did not wear cuff titles probably due to the late part of the war. The cypher was retained by those from 1st SS Cav Brigade . So these are some clues that point to origin combined with the information behind it.


I am very skeptical of mint SS officer tunics just poping up out of ???? long established collections ????? Dealer finds from so called Family buys ????

I know ONE dealer who gets awesome buys from families or old collections...I think we all know who that is...aside from him most of the original SS officer tunics I am aware of are bought cheap during show walk ins, Estate buyouts, or collection liquidations...then sold for Bastardized prices.

[AntiqueWW2]

Still waiting for your original unrestored WSS officers tunic.
So far, you are all words and wind. You’ve still answered my second question.
In your “professional” opinion - is the Panzer tunic restored or unrestored?

Not everyone is in need to post his Tunics here and show off, i am one of them. There are People here i call Friends who have seen some of my Tunics. I gave my Opinion on what you have, you know very well where that Tunic you own come from, and more i do not have to say, because i could't not care less on it.

And no, the Tunic from John is not restored, it is a perfect worn example of a field Tunic like it has to be and what i would love to own. The Tunic what was sold for 6K possible yes possible no, to be 100% you have to have it in Hands like on anything with Wool what is done very good. The big difference is, that this one was sold for a plausible Price.

[alone01]

... The big difference is, that this one was sold for a plausible Price.

That's the point!

[wolfslair]

Not everyone is in need to post his Tunics here and show off, i am one of them. There are People here i call Friends who have seen some of my Tunics. I gave my Opinion on what you have, you know very well where that Tunic you own come from, and more i do not have to say, because i could't not care less on it.

And no, the Tunic from John is not restored, it is a perfect worn example of a field Tunic like it has to be and what i would love to own. The Tunic what was sold for 6K possible yes possible no, to be 100% you have to have it in Hands like on anything with Wool what is done very good. The big difference is, that this one was sold for a plausible Price.

You've got nothing buddy. You've been a member of WAF for 3 full months.
You throw your weight around like you're a seasoned veteran. Do you think others here take your opinion seriously. Your previous posts clearly indicate you have nothing valuable to show and compare. And don't confuse others with John Pic's tunic. I asked you a direct question regarding the WSS panzer tunic that started this thread. In your vast experience - do you think the WSS Panzer in this thread is original untouched or restored. Use Google translator so that can't plead ignorance of the English language, of which I suspect you are hiding behind.
Steve