SS camo smock original?

[nutmeg]

Did they say when? 2 years ago or 50 years ago?

I have seen a lot of faked and orginal garments with this.

It looks artifcially aged.

(I dont care if the pinkies are orginal or not, im just mentioning the aging)

They did not and I didn't even ask that. Unless it's still damp I imagine these is no way to determine that anyway. If it doesn't smell musty it was probably a long time ago. Not much point in going to the trouble of artificially aging and reducing the value of something that in perfect condition was going to originally sell for $350.00 .

Why does it look artificially aged to you? Just curious

[RobertE]

This is ridiculous. So Floch has now artificially aged one of the smocks he found, decades after he discovered them? To what end?

Is the idea that a storage-damaged brick smock being found in the reported condition so unpalatable to the detractors that the damage must be discounted as fraud? Really?

I can't believe that Owen and others are even suggesting this. Then again, I guess I can - how unreasonable to think that clearly age and storage related damage is real. It MUST be faked.

s/f Robert

[Daniel.S]

Not much point in going to the trouble of artificially aging and reducing the value of something that in perfect condition was going to originally sell for $350.00 .

Why does it look artificially aged to you? Just curious

What if its the other way around...

Aging it to make it consistent with a story, or is there more in the same condition?

making a smock $3500 instead of $350.

Im just speculating here...

Im not entering a debate about this smocks, i just gave my opinion about the aging. Hopefully you guys can end this debate. I will follow the Polish lead as i grew up there.

//Daniel

[Vladislav]

May be produced such material outside Germany.As for the "Minsk-the movie" This film Studio was not in 1947(I wrote about it) besides, I like a native speaker you can see a clear discrepancy in the wording of the stamp in many stamp written in the month of may but this is the answer to the question when? In may.If I have correctly written it will be clear.

[Dennis S]

What if its the other way around...

Aging it to make it consistent with a story, or is there more in the same condition?

making a smock $3500 instead of $350.

Im just speculating here...

Im not entering a debate about this smocks, i just gave my opinion about the aging. Hopefully you guys can end this debate. I will follow the Polish lead as i grew up there.

//Daniel

Daniel , the real ratty smock he was selling was nearer to the 350 mark by a long shot I think in the 400 or 500 range , probably sold for much less .

I admit I bought one in decent condition from him found buried in his hoarders nest of banana boxes on a whim and only because it was very cheap , and I'm still not a firm believer . I just wanted it for some reason and to compare it to my plane tree .

Even , if direct proof was found they are original they will never bring the money of
A boilerplate German system one. They will be in the same market of Italian camo ......company or private tailor pieces

I forgot to mention he told me he had about 10 left in total .....not at show ....mostly all the ratty ones he didn't sell in the beginning . When I pulled it out of the banana box he said it was only in a bit better condition then the real ratty one ,but in reality once unfolded much better , very stiff with one small hole or two and bleached out HBT pockets

[Willi Z.]

About 6 years ago at a show in Hartford, CT, a known dealer had a stack of SS helmet covers which were water damaged and mouse eaten. Same BS story. Blatant fakes.

It is easy to fake that damage; takes only a week or so. After the SOS I had a wet bed spread I used as a cover to protect items during offloading. It stayed wet in the bed of my truck, so when I got home I kept it outside overnight to dry. The next morning a mouse had already eaten parts of it and built a nest. It takes little effort to keep a pile of uniforms in a musty barn or basement to create convincing damage.

[nutmeg]

Some of these were known to be damaged like this when they first appeared in the early 80s. I agree water damage can happen anytime and fairly quickly , but it isn't battery acid damage as claimed above.

About 6 years ago at a show in Hartford, CT, a known dealer had a stack of SS helmet covers which were water damaged and mouse eaten. Same BS story. Blatant fakes.

It is easy to fake that damage; takes only a week or so. After the SOS I had a wet bed spread I used as a cover to protect items during offloading. It stayed wet in the bed of my truck, so when I got home I kept it outside overnight to dry. The next morning a mouse had already eaten parts of it and built a nest. It takes little effort to keep a pile of uniforms in a musty barn or basement to create convincing damage.

[phild]

These smocks were not sold back in 1981 by using the damaged ones or the stamps as “part of the story”. I think few of us even saw any of the ratty ones back then as they were not generally found for sale. I am not sure that these were connected Lodz during the war or not although I can see what Floch might believe they were made there and it is possible I guess. I believe that they were made in or around Minsk as this immediate area was a major Soviet textile production center prior to the summer of 41 and the Minsk property stamps support that conclusion as does the location of the SS TWL there.

I can easily them being transferee to Lodz after 1947 and the stamps beIng struck as result of them leaving the inventory.

No question these are original. Nothing uniform wise that was faked then came close to these if one bothers to examine the details. I believe few have and many others can only judge by material and color characteristics, which are superficial.

I appreciate the post on this by Dennis and nutmeg. For me it confirms everything I saw and heard nearly 40 years ago with these. Thanks

About 6 years ago at a show in Hartford, CT, a known dealer had a stack of SS helmet covers which were water damaged and mouse eaten. Same BS story. Blatant fakes.

It is easy to fake that damage; takes only a week or so. After the SOS I had a wet bed spread I used as a cover to protect items during offloading. It stayed wet in the bed of my truck, so when I got home I kept it outside overnight to dry. The next morning a mouse had already eaten parts of it and built a nest. It takes little effort to keep a pile of uniforms in a musty barn or basement to create convincing damage.