Research Soviet Film Studio Markings with regards to Pink Smocks

[nutmeg]

The beauty of fakers is they always think they are smart but miss the mark enough for the informed to be able to spot



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Except for perfect fakes in which case you'll never know.

[kammo man]

Don

I have seen some really good Generals Panzer Black suits complete with leg piping being sold as real............
Made in the 1970s to VERY high standard.
Of course being sold as REAL.
VERY scary indeed the level that can be achieved.
When you see 2 sets together complete with jake dirt it makes you wonder.
Of course from the Chicago gang.



On a side note VERY nice Japanese camouflage helmet you have shown.
Its an education to see something like that.

[RobertE]

The beauty of fakers is they always think they are smart but miss the mark enough for the informed to be able to spot



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I wish that were the case, and in the 1970's it more or less was. In present time, painted decals fooled SS helmet for collectors for years until someone actually destroyed one to discover it was a fake.

The informed were in there buying with the rest of the helmet community for years - it was an outsider that discovered they were phony - the pros gave them solid thumbs up.

And it was a reproduction uniform manufacturer that discovered the physical differences between an army M40 and an SS M40. The informed were still using insignia shadows and gun show lore to guess whether a uniform started out as SS or was in fact army contract.

We have gaps in our knowledge that you can drive a truck through.

s/f Robert

[kammo man]

If you are using Rollin from ATF as an example you should also note he says the Pinks are fake.

[NZMark]

What would it cost to produce say, 500 smocks in the middle 1970's to the standard of the birch smock? From scratch, remember?
Mark
NZ

[RobertE]

If you are using Rollin from ATF as an example you should also note he says the Pinks are fake.

That's fine, I'm talking about the excellent research he and his outfit performed to determine SS from army tunics. My whole point is he took opinions and advanced them to facts - I don't consider him an expert on birch smocks.

He and others are welcome to join the discussion, though, and I'd love to hear him directly address the smocks.

My points about the "informed" determining what's real and what's not stand.

s/f Robert

[kammo man]

Birch ?
What is that?

[RobertE]

Do a word search in this thread and others on the smocks in question.

Belay that - my mistake. I typed birch instead or brick, sorry.

s/f Robert

[kammo man]

Ha you mean Pink.

So many names for this joke junk jacket I loose count.


Robert
If you attend the SOS he will be there.
You can ask him in person along with the other guy who found them will probably be there also.
Make it a party why not.
I will even be there also.

[RobertE]

Wouldn't mind attending but am out of the country. I don't blame them for not joining in the discussion here, but it could be of value.

My main interest concerns the known chain of custody on these, from initial location to distribution, so the original finder(s) accounts would be revealing.

s/f Robert

[nutmeg]

Whether you like them or not there is NO pink in them so Brick is a more appropriate name but I would associate that with a more angular pattern. I like Terra smock (earth) better.

I might go this year if free. I will certainly talk with Floch if he's there.

Ha you mean Pink.

So many names for this joke junk jacket I loose count.


Robert
If you attend the SOS he will be there.
You can ask him in person along with the other guy who found them will probably be there also.
Make it a party why not.
I will even be there also.

[kammo man]

Well we all know that answer already.

It would be fun if you could attend.
But life is life.

[paintbrush]

Why don't more people seem to care about the actual oakleaf pattern being incorrect? Are there other surviving examples of Waffen SS (or Heer or Luftwaffe) camo where the pattern itself is incorrect and yet still accepted as war-time issue? I've lurked on the board for years and don't recall any (for example, I think the Nord Oakleaf Norwegian Parkas pattern is a bit larger in size IIRC, but yet correct). I can't think of a valid reason for a war-time contractor to add an entire new segment to an existing pattern.

I find it interesting that's it been A-B'd against the war-time oakleaf pattern early in this thread and it doesn't match, but everyone seems to skip over it.

I appreciate all the information shared in this (and the other infamous) pink smock threads.

[nutmeg]

[QUOTE=kammo man;8030918]Well we all know that answer already.



I think you're being overly inclusive , "we" .

[kammo man]

I am probably the only one on this thread who has actually made printed camouflage cloth and it's funny that the believers in this print don't want to talk bout the cloth much
Of course pattern is wrong
It's like a copy of a used piece of oak
I am on my phone now but when home will tell a typical printers mistake


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