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    #121
    I have been reading this ping pong match for some time and learned nothing. How about post a few covers made/sold by Lorenzo and dissect them Owen and others can tell what is bad or good so we can learn from this what to look for.

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      #122
      AA,
      Please look at the link provided in this thread.
      Look at the covers.
      They are fake.
      The covers in this thread are also fake.
      Look and learn.
      o

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        #123
        Originally posted by kammo man View Post
        All the posts you are making are smoke screens designed to muddle people.

        owen
        Oh no man - you know better than me - Lorenzo has been expelled because of this exact your lie (that Lorenzo offered you three helmet covers at the SOS-2009) and one more lie of your friend "horsetrainer" (that Lorenzo offered him to trade two of his covers for one original)

        Below is the extract from the thread (that started three months ago) where you for the first time brought up your fake fact and lied about Lorenzo offered you helmet covers at the SOS. Behind the stage your friend "horsetrainer" was already giving false statement/lie to Will Z. about his trade of helmet covers with Lorenzo. Just days later Lorenzo got expelled. You did good - your lies worked. It is all clear form the discussion below. Just read it - it is all there - all facts straight. The lie on the surface.

        --------------------------------------------


        January 15, 2016

        http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=841522&page=3

        Daniel.S (Post#40)
        Originally posted by Daniel.S;
        Owen clearly stated that he was offered a few of these covers at the SoS from lorenz....
        Lorenz (Post#42&46)
        Originally posted by Lorenz;
        I NEVER OFFERED covers to Owen

        I could add that I doubt seriously that in 2009 when I meet him for few minutes at the SOS, he was eable to recognize an original by a fake, in fact he bought there his first helmet cover from Grant Bias..

        We spoke just of our common interest, for few minutes, nothing more.
        Jeff V
        Originally posted by Jeff V;
        Lorenzo denies this so we have two people claiming totally opposite things.
        Originally posted by kammo man;
        I met Lorenzo in person and he offered me my pick of 3 covers


        Willi Z. - January 17 5:43 AM (Post#19)
        Originally posted by Willi Z.;
        And do you think the dealers who took these things in trade at bargain prices, while providing original items in return, who then sold the fakes will step forward? The final buyers don't even know they have a fake nor where they came from.
        The 'process' by which these were distributed is very well-known to many collectors. This was a topic at a show yesterday. One collector has personal experience with this process.
        "One collector has personal experience with this process. " that Willy mentioned is "horsetrainer". "horsetrainer" lied about his trade with Lorenzo and

        January 28 - Lorenzo has got expelled

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          #124
          Not much is learned here indeed. Only one side saying FAKE and the other side is asking why....which is in return again answered with: FAKES without any back-up facts! Looks like this back and forth yelling will continue for a while without any results or facts for those interested in the matter.

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            #125
            Funny Disco,
            But there was a WAF moderator within eye sight of my meeting with Lorenzo who I directly reported what Lorenzo offered me.
            Those items eventually showed up on dealers tables by the end of the show.

            You are calling me a liar ?
            Are you calling a WAF moderator a liar ?

            I take offense to that.

            Be your own man and not a fakers mouthpiece.
            It may suit you better.


            owen

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              #126
              Disco...

              Magically you have seem to forget that a dealer came forward in that thread that he was also offered covers..and caps....straight from Lorenzo.

              Is he a liar to?

              Here is one of the caps..to remind you.
              Attached Files

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                #127
                are some of the covers in the Beaver books said to be in question?

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                  #128
                  Originally posted by kammo man View Post
                  I have stated MANY MANY times why they are FAKE.............
                  Ok if you do this, pleas give a link with number of the Post, so i can read it, i like to learn somthing!

                  I read all, this tread, all the treads in links in this tread............ but i cant finde anny post of you "kammo man" wehre you write down why they are fake, you only write stuff like this from my minde:

                  - they are fake
                  - look at the picturs you can see the are fake
                  - fake because i said
                  - the clips (jes ok, but what is wrong with them?)


                  i can say your car can´t drive because its defekt, but the real question is what is deffekt to let it not run? maybe you can repair it after this answear.......


                  thes are no points wehre i can lern houw to find out this "High end super duper near perfekt Fakes"
                  I have no in my collection, but maybe i like one or more, so bevor i must studi and lern, i dont like to burn my monney.
                  Last edited by ww2.collector; 04-03-2016, 04:04 PM.

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                    #129
                    I personally don't have time to go through every helmet cover thread and list them.

                    You should ask Disco.
                    He seems to like trolling through posts and building a case on his sunday afternoon.


                    Its all here and you must learn to do your own research as I have done enough work on this.

                    owen

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                      #130
                      Originally posted by kammo man View Post
                      I personally don't have time to go through every helmet cover thread and list them.
                      I hade not the time to, but i have done it....... and finde nothing, so thats why i ask you, while you said you wirte it with your own words: MANY MANY TIMES

                      Originally posted by kammo man View Post
                      You should ask Disco.
                      He seems to like trolling through posts and building a case on his sunday afternoon.
                      Why should i ask him about your posts?

                      Originally posted by kammo man View Post
                      Its all here and you must learn to do your own research as I have done enough work on this.
                      What do i here? its reasearch, i aks you for one or two short sentences, what is wrong with the parts?

                      You write in other posts in different tread you like to save collectors bevor the fakers, but you dont do this here.


                      Maybe you cant give me a ansewar?

                      And for all, i do not know who is the Mr. Lorennzo or the other from this tread

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                        #131
                        The answers are already there.

                        Don't be a lazy poster who wants everything when they demand them.

                        I made my case.


                        I rest my case.........................

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                          #132
                          Originally posted by kammo man View Post
                          The answers are already there.
                          Where? i dont find them and a read really everthing!!!!!!!!!

                          Originally posted by kammo man View Post
                          Don't be a lazy poster who wants everything when they demand them.
                          You can be shure i am not lazzy and i am always lerning
                          That is the reason i do this, I LIKE TO LEARN SOMTHING.

                          i think i dont get a real answer here... so...........

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                            #133
                            Look at the stitching thats the give away

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                              #134
                              Originally posted by Daniel.S View Post
                              Disco...

                              Magically you have seem to forget that a dealer came forward in that thread that he was also offered covers..and caps....straight from Lorenzo.

                              Is he a liar to?

                              Here is one of the caps..to remind you.


                              Funny how Disco P did not reply to direct FACT of faking transaction to PVL.

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                                #135
                                Originally posted by kammo man View Post
                                Funny how Disco P did not reply to direct FACT of faking transaction to PVL.
                                Personally I would not deem the cap a fake without a hands on, it looks good but Im not the expert to give a verdict from pictures alone.
                                Tom

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