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    #46
    Originally posted by Fritz View Post
    Your theory does not work with side caps. What you call fake double needle is not that. It is two seams made on a single needle machine. All valid and 100% used during the period. In many cases such seams may appear as if they were made using a double needle machine (which is owed to the talented hand of the person doing the job) and in a few cases double needle machines may have been used, I have never seen (or noticed) that on a side cap though.

    Cheers
    I don't really go along with your theory. I believe that if the German designers, wanted a double row of stitching, they would have been stitched on double needle machines.
    You know how much of a stickler they were for quality. I believe that the 6400 Euro cap, would have been pitched into the dust bin.
    I will be looking at side caps, which I think are real, for true double needle sewing machine stitching, from now on.
    Cheers to you,
    mikeburch

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      #47
      Originally posted by mikeburch View Post
      I don't really go along with your theory. I believe that if the German designers, wanted a double row of stitching, they would have been stitched on double needle machines.
      You know how much of a stickler they were for quality. I believe that the 6400 Euro cap, would have been pitched into the dust bin.
      I will be looking at side caps, which I think are real, for true double needle sewing machine stitching, from now on.
      Cheers to you,
      mikeburch
      I must have missed the 6400 euro cap, but I don't think I would pay $6250 for this one. Just my opinion of course.


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        #48
        Originally posted by mikeburch View Post
        I don't really go along with your theory. I believe that if the German designers, wanted a double row of stitching, they would have been stitched on double needle machines.
        You know how much of a stickler they were for quality. I believe that the 6400 Euro cap, would have been pitched into the dust bin.
        I will be looking at side caps, which I think are real, for true double needle sewing machine stitching, from now on.
        Cheers to you,
        mikeburch
        I can see your point - you want to see the stitching on a sidecap like this one that sold for 4995 euros in 2012.



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          #49
          Originally posted by mikeburch View Post
          I don't really go along with your theory. I believe that if the German designers, wanted a double row of stitching, they would have been stitched on double needle machines.
          You know how much of a stickler they were for quality. I believe that the 6400 Euro cap, would have been pitched into the dust bin.
          I will be looking at side caps, which I think are real, for true double needle sewing machine stitching, from now on.
          Cheers to you,
          mikeburch
          No insult intended but you do not understand where and when double needle machines were used.

          When WE (not you) first brought the issue up with the fake covers we kinda opened pandora's box as many people have problems in understanding what a double needle seam is and which items have that and which not.

          I have received quite a few PMs and E-Mails on that subject and had to realize it is either hard to explain or to understand or perhaps both.

          If you believe that ss items were of any high quality you are again mistaken. The ss had probably the lowest quality standards of all armed forces - anyhow during the war.

          No side cap has been shown in this thread that has a true double needle seam. According to your theory they must all be fake.


          I must admit I did not look at all the side caps in the links below, those I looked at must be fake though (according to your theory), as that seam you argue about was made on single needle machines on all examples I looked at (Heer, SS, LW, KM).

          http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Galleries/Headgear.html

          http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Galleries/Headgear2.html

          Cheers

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            #50
            Isnt the case that the common used "Doppelnaht" would have a length offset to each loop, like half length different of each loop? Like known from the WSS camo covers? But for my view it is all pending how the machine set up was done. For my view its not a key to call a sidecap good or bad.

            Here is one transitional cap I got once, the quality of the seam stitching is not top in quality but right as rain.
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              #51
              Originally posted by Robert H View Post
              Isnt the case that the common used "Doppelnaht" would have a length offset to each loop, like half length different of each loop? Like known from the WSS camo covers?


              No, it looks like this, also on covers:

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                #52
                SSPanzer

                FRITZ ........................
                You say,
                "No side cap has been shown in this thread that has a true double needle seam".
                Did you look at the post by TONY S, directly preceeding your last post ?
                mikeburch

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by mikeburch View Post
                  FRITZ ........................
                  You say,
                  "No side cap has been shown in this thread that has a true double needle seam".
                  Did you look at the post by TONY S, directly preceeding your last post ?
                  mikeburch

                  Of course: That cap too was made using a single needle machine. Which, again, is all correct.

                  Cheers

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                    #54
                    Here's a better shot of that cap showing the double stitching. Many caps identical to this one came from the Clement Wagner firm.



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                      #55
                      so the ones on vg site are good or not, later war worse quality

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by jayjay198666 View Post
                        so the ones on vg site are good or not, later war worse quality
                        100% original.

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by TonyS View Post
                          Here's a better shot of that cap showing the double stitching. Many caps identical to this one came from the Clement Wagner firm.





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                          Albeit that photo is even worse than the other: This is not double needle stitching. This is a very well made seam that was done by a trained and tallented person. These seams, depending on the quality, can look like double needle seams. As of course, as a professional, you will try to maintain the same distance between the rows of stitching and if you are good at it you will come up with a great result.

                          However, upon close examination you will find out, at least that is my experience so far, that these are not double needle made, with such well made seams the key is in the details and not in a quick glance. I am sure I have a cap with a similar quality seam that I can tell is not double needle made.

                          It is great to see though that apparently the existence of original caps made on single needle machines (which was at least the vast majority if not the only valid variant) is, apparently, no longer disputed.

                          Cheers

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by jayjay198666 View Post
                            so the ones on vg site are good or not, later war worse quality
                            Nobody should be confused here, the claim that that seam was only made on double needle machines is 100% wrong.

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Panzergrenadiere71 View Post
                              100% original.
                              Emilio - do you really think this one is 100% original?

                              The really really bad stitching (I've seen better one labor camp items) and at least a replaced eagle which does not match the wear on the rest of the cap.


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                                #60
                                Hi

                                wouldn't the holes in the Clement Wagner cap, shown by Tony for example, line up perfectly if they were double stitched? I can see they do not...

                                macleod

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