SS Panzer overseas cap

[RamJet]

Thank You all for the information!

To collect SS Panzer, one have to be really wealthy, I see.

Once I tried to get together only one set of Untersturmführer collar tabs and boards for a Panzer display of Luftwaffe, Heer and Waffen-SS rank insignia, but it was much to expensive for me and so I decided to stay with Luftwaffe Panzer sets, HG and Felddivision. Not cheap also, but much cheaper than Waffen-SS ...

Again, thank You all, I learned a lot in this thread!

[Asper]

I don't subscribe to the double needle exclusivity for twin stitches. There are items with strong provenance displaying double needle and single needle with two runs. In my personal opinion it was dependent on equipment available by factory. This applies to other cloth as well.

The caps on VG are good examples and original in my view.

Cheers,

Asper

[jayjay198666]

Any thing SS is costly, but to own a piece of history to do with the SS is the enjoyment of the hobby,

[Fritz]

I don't subscribe to the double needle exclusivity for twin stitches.

I believe that particular seam was always made using single needle machines, thus that seam is all according to original standards.


Cheers

[SJP]

I don't subscribe to the double needle exclusivity for twin stitches. There are items with strong provenance displaying double needle and single needle with two runs. In my personal opinion it was dependent on equipment available by factory. This applies to other cloth as well.

The caps on VG are good examples and original in my view.

Cheers,

Asper

Agree.
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Cheers Steve

[RD Rygaard]

1st picture (black overseas cap) shows what $500.00 got you back in 1995, before the internet & dealer sites.The only preview you got was a Xerox catalog, instamatic photo, or (in this case) a description over the (land line) telephone! The 2nd photo(Waffen SS Panzer Jaeger field upgraded) shows what $2100.00 ( a real steal I might add) was lucky to get me in 2013! What a difference right?

[viva_giulio]

There are many ways to collect:
- the most going shopping in dealer site
- others have sources with friends
- few search personally

If you invest in relations, friendship (true) probably you will have items quite easy to sell with a little gain. If you collect at certain prices from broker probably you considered a loss. If you didn't consider better to know there is another market somewhere.

RD... You hit the points.
Right prices are possible. Still now.

I haven't nothing against militaria brokers but please, be serious to give a real market price for a pnz side cap. If not probably you need the truth must be covered for int€r€t$

[mikeburch]

SS Panzer

You can identify re-enactor pieces by the fake double needle machine stitching.
The double and tripple needle stitching machines are very expensive and used by only the high volume manufactors. These are not viable for the hobbiest or counterfiet vendor.
Personally, I would be very suspicous of any piece, that had the fake double single needle run.
I believe some collectors have these, but want to convince others, that they are original.
But, as they say, nothing is impossible. I, still, wouldn't buy them.
mikeburch

[jayjay198666]

Hi, all very nice caps, and very lucky to get at them prices, un fortunately I have no collector friends. I always watch the E- Stand tho

[Fritz]

You can identify re-enactor pieces by the fake double needle machine stitching.
The double and tripple needle stitching machines are very expensive and used by only the high volume manufactors. These are not viable for the hobbiest or counterfiet vendor.
Personally, I would be very suspicous of any piece, that had the fake double single needle run.
I believe some collectors have these, but want to convince others, that they are original.
But, as they say, nothing is impossible. I, still, wouldn't buy them.
mikeburch

Again: That seam you are referring to was made using single needle machines in the fashion you can see in the VG item in post 4. It has nothing to do with the fake double needle stitch known from fake helmet covers.

[RamJet]

Kai Winkler has two SS Panzer overseas caps listed in his latest news, one officer

https://www.history-shop.de/katalog/...uer_97537.html

and one EM/NCO.

https://www.history-shop.de/katalog/...uer_97538.html


Of course, I can't judge them, but You can for sure.

[TonyS]

It's difficult to tell with Winkler's stuff - he has built up such a reputation for put together and fake stuff mixed in with good stuff.

But here's some of the Officers Panzer cap photos.

If you want to get around the "mouse over zoom" feature on his website to save photos just save the whole page to your computer and from the folder that is created, pick out the jpg files that are the large size......
















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[mikeburch]

SS Panzer

Here is an example of TRUE double needle stitching in a German Cap.
If it is not this good, I would be suspect.
mikeburch

[m.ishimura]

Hi there,

This is my collection.





I've seen two original Waffen ss Pz side caps in mint condition.
Those caps were sewed by a special sewing machine which are on the front and back like shown on the photograph.

Sincerely,
morio

[Fritz]

Here is an example of TRUE double needle stitching in a German Cap.
If it is not this good, I would be suspect.
mikeburch

Your theory does not work with side caps. What you call fake double needle is not that. It is two seams made on a single needle machine. All valid and 100% used during the period. In many cases such seams may appear as if they were made using a double needle machine (which is owed to the talented hand of the person doing the job) and in a few cases double needle machines may have been used, I have never seen (or noticed) that on a side cap though.

Cheers