Helmet covers ..........good and bad

[RobertE]

[QUOTE=Asper;5504414]This thread has stalled, but something can be taken away from it.

Let's be clear here, these so called "Italian Covers" have been discussed across several threads and forums with useful techical info for those willing to read it. So statements that no details or facts have been presented are false.

Asper, I'm talking about the utility of this thread, not others previously posted. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

regards, Robert

[RobertE]

[QUOTE=Fritz;5504374]I am not really sure this is the case. If you are familiar with authentic ss camouflage the fake double needle stitching is a clear proof that the ones we have discussed here recently are fake.

Anyone who denies that can't either see that, don't want to see it or has another agenda.


Fritz, as you are aware from these discussions http://70.87.163.50/forums/showthrea...618479&page=12 , the cover does not have to be sewn with a double needle; just sewn twice which can be accomplished with a single needle as was demonstrated in this thread.

Yes, there are other threads on this topic, including the one above, so we don't need to rehash this point of construction. But since this seems to be the most damning feature of the Italian covers, I did want to remind the readers of this thread that everyone is not in agreement that these must be sewn with a double needle.

regards, Robert

[Fritz]

Fritz, as you are aware from these discussions http://70.87.163.50/forums/showthrea...618479&page=12 , the cover does not have to be sewn with a double needle; just sewn twice which can be accomplished with a single needle as was demonstrated in this thread.

You haven't read my posts then. It is one thing to sew together two pieces of straight and thin cardboard.

I am willing though to await the results of tests made by him with curved pieces of cotton duck material. I would tend to believe that he will fail or that it will take him a very long time. Time that is not available in a regular business - yet, it is in a faker's workshop.

With respect but that "experiment" was absurd and no one should refer to it.

Cheers

[norge]

Okay, here is another one of these fakes and Francescos. I showed the one on the bottom to Ted Caso back in the Day and he knew it was bad, so I really had to study them and then after some time I could spot them.

English is limited at explaining good fakes and why we know they are bad, so I figure this picture might help. You could also go to the MAX and walk around with me and I can point them out laying on Tables.

Study my Pic and Francesco's and you will see the fingerprints of this Faker.

I wonder what Lorenzo think about those "Italian" ss covers? Since i think he has seen and handeled more covers than most of us.. Please share your expertice Lorenzo.
(And sorry if i missed the opinions if given before..)

I also want to say that the clips on an original cover Roy A showed in the other thread i traded from Lorenzo some years ago. I do also think some of the covers for sale at Kelly hicks site are from his collection once.. and most of them look ok imo. I have only good experiance dealing with Lorenzo, exept when my BE smock and 2 ss ct was lost in post..but thats my own fault.)
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=196927

Cheer´ss
Gisle

[RobertE]

Fritz, I have read your posts and others. I mean post 175, not the cardboard test. It is the side-by-side photo comparison.

[Fritz]

Fritz, I have read your posts and others. I mean post 175, not the cardboard test. It is the side-by-side photo comparison.

Then I have misunderstood your post...

The right half of that comparison shows a seam that was made on a double needle sewing machine. That is probably an ok and all original seam, I never argued that.

The problem with these fakes is that someone tried to imitate a double needle seam using a single needle machine. And this, among other things, gives the cover that started all this issue away as fake.

Cheers

[KradSPam]

Owen I tried to pm you but your inbox is full.

[kammo man]

Owen@kammo-man.com

[kammo man]

I have seen covers that were bad with Kelly hicks Coa.

The same style of covers showed up on ruptured duck and after I showed Patrick what was wrong it was pulled promptly.
Well done RD

[Dr. Strangelove]

Wut? Bad coa!!

No way !

[Daniel.S]

I have seen covers that were bad with Kelly hicks Coa.

The same style of covers showed up on ruptured duck and after I showed Patrick what was wrong it was pulled promptly.
Well done RD

what about the smocks??

[kammo man]

Everyone makes mistakes and you learn.
That's why collecting is fun

[napesica]

Helmet covers ..........good and bad

And this one is....? I am by no means any authority, but it does not look right to me due to inconsistent fading between the cover and the rocker spring cover and the odd wear that is more typical of a well used Zeltbahn.
Thanks

[cbuehler]

As usual, little real information on the subject matter has come out of this thread. I very rarely get explanations as to why an item posted on this forum is good or bad and leave it at that as I am the one who asked for their opinions. Usually the experienced collectors here are right, but of course they are certainly not always so.
I myself will never be able to afford a real cover, and feel they, along with most TR material, are overpriced anyway (but that seems to be changing judging by prices being realized on estand!)
I sure would like to see some more solid comparisons between fake and real covers and not hear anymore bull about revealing secrets to fakers or boiling down to contentious accusations.

CB

[CWP]

I agree with the post by CB above. At this point, I wouldn't buy one of these with someone else's money. I can't help but feel, after reading this, that authenticity of these has become a subjective determination, more art than science.