Hermann Fegelein's SS General tunic at HH

[judas]

Judas about 7 years ago a well known dealer sent me photos of one of Himmler's grey tunics it never made the market as it was quickly exposed. I wish I had kept those photos...

thanks ! bummer you did not still have the photo would be a good refernce (yes i know my spelling suxs ) what do you think about were the tunics are if any ? his daughter ? she is one smart cooky she has big ! shares fair fax

[WEISNER]

I am following this thread with much interest and enjoyment! for anyone who thinks John has not handled his fair share of SS tunics I pose this link!

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=262500

For me when John speaks I for one listen, as I may just learn a little somthing!

Best Regards Gents and please continue on!

Kevin

Your spelling is fine Judas!

[judas]

I am following this thread with much interest and enjoyment! for anyone who thinks John has not handled his fair share of SS tunics I pose this link!

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=262500

For me when John speaks I for one listen, as I may just learn a little somthing!

Best Regards Gents and please continue on!

Kevin

Your spelling is fine Judas!

yes i would say john is one of the very few ! who has no hidden agenda's and thats a truth . but he some times needs to remember what he wrights we are watching especially on topics of province

[kammo man]

John,
In enjoy your black and white approach .


owen

[Beobachter]

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Send me your phone number via pm, i have important infos !

Yes, yes, money is never a problem, especially for the sellers.

Did you know that the son got the Witt helmet about 15 years ago?
I bet such a helmet with the Witt-name to it will sell for very nice
money with such a 15-year long provenance! Centerpiece of every
SS helmet collection! Nice investment.

Again, I will not get into this further out of discretion.

You talk to the wrong people my friend.

Seeing is definitely not believing! And nametags in uniforms do
not proof anything, even if everything else looks nicely original.

Bottom line:
What counts is what was with the families before the groups changed
ownership.

You probably also belong to the people who belief Heinz Macher's
Thorshammer was really given to him by the Reichsfuehrer, right?
That's right, Heinz Macher wrote the story himself, even signed it
and offered it for years, while he was alive at DEM 75,000.00.
But go and talk to Himmler's nieces and to Gudrun and ask her
about her father's Thorshammer...! Surprise! Heinz needed some
urgent money...

That's it from my side. Over and out.

[judas]

Send me your phone number via pm, i have important infos !

[hs132]

I have probably owned and handled more SS officer tunics than the 4 gentlemen who do not like my personality yet display similar traits they accuse me of in their own posts and I do not recall seeing their collections ever just opinions.

To answer Thorsten's questions...I do put on the fight when it comes to price gauging...by its opinion not grumpiness..honestly a person can charge what they like and a person can also have any opinion they like of that. I sold an SS uniform for $17,000 so Im not the perfect judge.

Ive owned three tunics from Kai Winkler and inspected a fourth...3 had signs of former heer insignias..one of those belonged to a forum member here and he had me inspect it in front of others at the SOS I showed them all with a UV where the breast eagle had once been. The other two were officer cut tunics which had been retailored one had the shadows of a breast eagle and and Edelweiss patch so faint a UV was needed to see them. Another I owned was in brand new mint condition never used or worn ever, perfect insignias in new condition the bullion around the tabs sparkled in light like they just came from the factory...no one could tell if the tunic was put together now or 65 years ago. To this day no one can tell..it sits in a collection I can go look at anytime...my gut feeling was made up post war new tunic with never used original insignias.

Ive owned a few tunics I would say were 100% real and none looked as new or clean as those coming from Kai Winkler.

So now that you want to get flustered and angry at me I would ask you tell me how many original SS officer tunics you have owned that are unquestionable and that you have shared with the public on a forum as I have for the past 12 years ? I have only seen one tunic owned by you Beobachter .....Bobwirtz you only seem to know about Will Schumacher's tunics ....Id say for a guy who said he only collected heer tunics but no longer has any ,you sure like to give a lot of advice to SS collectors. Establishing yourself as a resident "expert" without ever owning anything you give opinion on.

There is an abundance of fraud in this Hobby...and you think by seeing an holding something you can be completely sure it belonged to the person who it is attributed to..and that people are not offered money to say things. You obviously wear Rose colored glasses my friends...especially with the striking examples of fraud surfacing and being exposed right before you here on this forum.....in psychology they call it living in denial.

I am also to believe although not confirmed that Heinz Macher's uniforms have also surfaced somehow...Im sure there are forum members who knew and talked to him when he was alive...the truths will come out.

I am a very happy guy and have a lot of fun in this hobby...for me its not a lifes ambition its just a small part of my life.

Hello, any chance of providing more info on the $17,000 SS uniform you sold? Pictures, dates of sale etc.? That info may help with your stature as an expert here and give us an idea of the proper price to ask when selling a similar item. Was that uniform ever posted here for review? Bill.

[Ian Hulley]

Hello, any chance of providing more info on the $17,000 SS uniform you sold? Pictures, dates of sale etc.? That info may help with your stature as an expert here

You're having a laugh ... right ?

[Bob Hritz]

If my memory serves, John Pic's tunic was a well worn, combat tunic in lightweight canvas material. It was posted and is certainly a onelooker original. I would loved to have been able to afford it when it was available.

I believe it is the tunic in post 22 in the following discussion thread:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=262500&page=2

Bob Hritz

[Obersalzberg]

All these people doing the my cars bigger than your car routine.. all over some gaberdine......
Dear o dear....

[jacquesf]

If my memory serves, John Pic's tunic was a well worn, combat tunic in lightweight canvas material. It was posted and is certainly a onelooker original. I would loved to have been able to afford it when it was available.

I believe it is the tunic in post 22 in the following discussion thread:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=262500&page=2

Bob Hritz

It is a 100% untouched worn original, piped gold yellow for cavalry. Had it in hand quite a few times,unbelievable piece. .Jacques

[A c h t u n g !]

It is a 100% untouched worn original, piped gold yellow for cavalry. Had it in hand quite a few times,unbelievable piece. .Jacques

John Pic did not sell that tunic for $17,000 or did he?

[Arran]

Judas about 7 years ago a well known dealer sent me photos of one of Himmler's grey tunics it never made the market as it was quickly exposed. I wish I had kept those photos...

I think I remember that tunic, and a black one, and two matching visor caps ostensibly obtained from Himmler's secretary. It was all humped-up garbage and was being offered by Weitze, I believe. I may still have pics somewhere...

[Thorsten B.]

No matter how one wants to put it:

That does not change for one second the remaining fact that Mr. Pic is spreading bad words about tunics he never saw or had them in hand in person.

If I would be the owner or a potential buyer I certainly would not be happy about that kind of behaviour - it is just bad behaviour.

And why?

[hs132]

You're having a laugh ... right ?

Hello, Jon introduced a fact/Point of Referance. If one knew the year/month of sale of a tunic of that stature one could give a good estimate of what would be considered a fair sale today. If it was a stellar all origional $17K tunic 5-6 years ago most likely today it would have doubled in value. Would Jon be able to tell based on his expertise that if he offered it today he would ask $34K. What would specifically be considered a fair/unfair/gouge price? Would the price then be over $60 in 5-6 years? Best, Bill