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I also like the CG 4 pocket set and agree that it is very different from the 2nd wrap (80s) posted in this thread. I have seen these many decades ago in Germany unissued but with rusted buttons and trouser buckles ....BUT it was clear that these had rusted while on the clothing and not prior to being attached as in the case of the 80s wraps.
I now can see that the wrap that started this thread did not have the small steel buttons so I regret any confusion that I may have caused over these.
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Yes they are nice set on Collectors Guild, but this is the WAF. Believe me I'm more confused now then I was when I first posted the wrapper. I guess there's nothing left to say, but they are fake. Don't ask why just go with it.
Thank God for lighter fluid and matches, the quickest way to get rid of them so they are not sold as originals!! Thanks everyone no further discussion is needed. Dave.
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Originally posted by STUG III View PostYes they are nice set on Collectors Guild, but this is the WAF. Believe me I'm more confused now then I was when I first posted the wrapper. I guess there's nothing left to say, but they are fake. Don't ask why just go with it.
Thank God for lighter fluid and matches, the quickest way to get rid of them so they are not sold as originals!! Thanks everyone no further discussion is needed. Dave.
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IMO the first one posted is bad, I would pass based on the pics for many reasons, for starters, the base material is repro.Last edited by Scott A. Hess; 03-08-2012, 10:18 PM.
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Originally posted by besslein View Postset from Collectors Guild is real and is very far from posted here fake wrap.
Also please note the exact same construction of both trousers.
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aside the particular case of the camo "dot 44" wrap who started this thread, one comment about the correct lenght for the repeat of the camo dot pattern on an original item is surprising for me.
i thought untill now that this lenght could vary between 48 and 52 cm, depending of different factors.
maybe i'm wrong ?
as i read here that "33 cm is the standard for original dot pattern camo" , and as i'm always ready to learn, i would be interested to have more opinions expressed on this point, particulary from collectors who own such camo "dot 44" items.
thanks by advance.
derka
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Originally posted by Eric Mill View PostSomewhere between 48 and 52 cm is still the standard for me. All the items I have are within this range.
This cm range is correct, you will see slight variations within this range, between 47.5-51cm I feel comfortable with, I have some 15 pieces of unissued SS dot cloth, pants, jackets, winter, etc, and none of them have 33 cm or anything lower than the range listed above. 33 cm on a dot pair of anything and I would walk away. Those were earlier Janke and other measurements from the 80's, fake material, thats why when you see garments with this small repeat they just dont look right. You will also see MINOR variations on good dot cloth in a few areas, which IMO is perfectly fine. These rollers were not all made at the same place. Study the camo cloth for several hundreds of hours side by side, you will begin to see spots, but you will also see some interesting things.Last edited by Scott A. Hess; 03-09-2012, 09:39 AM.
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Originally posted by Ian Hulley View PostWell I just checked a known good 44 dot pattern ... on the same monitor ... and the dots on the one you posted still look a strange colour.
Ian
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Originally posted by Scott A. Hess View PostThis cm range is correct, you will see slight variations within this range, between 47.5-51cm I feel comfortable with, I have some 15 pieces of unissued SS dot cloth, pants, jackets, winter, etc, and none of them have 33 cm or anything lower than the range listed above. 33 cm on a dot pair of anything and I would walk away. Those were earlier Janke and other measurements from the 80's, fake material, thats why when you see garments with this small repeat they just dont look right. You will also see MINOR variations on good dot cloth in a few areas, which IMO is perfectly fine. These rollers were not all made at the same place. Study the camo cloth for several hundreds of hours side by side, you will begin to see spots, but you will also see some interesting things.
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Just discovered this thread today and have to chime in and say that the wrap
posted in the beginning is not good. The material is really close to original SS DOT HBT
but the construction of the panzer wrap is slightly off from what an original looks like.
Also people need to know one thing about the so called 80's fake dot camo panzer wraps and pants. The pattern is not at all accurate to what the original pattern from the war looks like. To a novice it looks like SS dot camo. But when you REALLY compare the pattern next to a REAL one you clearly see that this 80's camo is really bad and does not compare at all.
There was another excellent thread a few years back where we discussed the topic of SS HBT DOT camo. I will try to find and repost it here.
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Here is the thread where we discussed the SS HBT DOT pattern.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=184388
I highly recommend spending some time reading through all the posts and looking at all the photos very carefully showing original and fake material comparisons.
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