Originally posted by Fred S
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Same guy - same mouth - same nose - same hole in chin - same eyebrow - same eyes - same hair line. It's the same guy... -
Hello,
I’ve read the story (published in French) of Elimar.
At any moment, he makes mentions of some awards he obtains or a promotion to the rank of rottenführer. He was schütze during the Battle of Bulge. For me, he’s not the man of Poteau!!!
Yes, he thinks that he looks like the unknown rottenführer but nothing else…
The best way should be to ask him about all of these strange things…
His story remains me the one of the late Howard Manoian…
Kind regards.
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Hi,
thanks for confirming the account of Elimar in his book !
I just hope Loic will have some time to check with Elimar himself...
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The claim that the SS-Rottenführer in those pictures is "Elimar" is complete nonsense. Or better: a stubborn matter of wishfull thinking. Wrong rank, wrong awards, and most important of all, wrong Division: it cannot be him.
At one point veterans identified him as SS-Unterscharführer Gilbert from 2. Kompanie, SS-Panzer-Aufklärungsabteilung 1 LSSAH. This was also based on a slight facial similarity, but Gilbert also had the wrong rank.
The SS-Rottenführer was clearly a member of the Fahrradzug, Stabskompanie, SS-Panzer-Aufklärungsabteilung 1 LSSAH. This is shown by this photo of members of that outfit hitching a ride on the engine deck of this Sd.Kfz. 234/1 earlier that day, a vehicle from the Panzerspähzug, Stabskompanie, SS-Panzer-Aufklärungsabteilung 1 LSSAH. The photo comes from the same series and was taken by the same photographer earlier that day: December 18, 1944. All photo's from the series taken by this photographer show elements of the Leibstandarte during the early days of the offensive. The members of the Fahrradzug took a ride on those armoured cars because they could not keep up with the rest on their bicycles. Later that day they found some abandoned US trucks in Stavelot and used those to move to La Gleize that evening and back to Trois-Ponts the following morning.
As you can see the photo shows our mysterious SS-Rottenführer.
Last edited by Ruimteaapje; 03-01-2012, 11:28 PM.Comment
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This cant be true: 1st, the attack at the crossroad at Poteau started before dawn, so how could that foto be taken ealier that day?Originally posted by Ruimteaapje View Post
Also, as those man never reached their object (the crossroad) they could neither reached Stavelot nor La Gleize the same day via those roads.
The 1st men (of Kampfgruppe Peiper) reached Stavelot at the morning of dec. 18 - so for sure they cant be at both places at same time...Comment
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...At least we can see one soldier in winterparka on vehicle....
As you can see the photo shows our mysterious SS-Rottenführer.
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Yes - but I know that foto in a book (could not find it) where it claims to show HJ-soldiers in hungary in 1945.Originally posted by Ohlau View Post
That rare improved scout-car only saw service in the last stage of war.Comment
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Its a hooded great coat not a winter parka...Visit the thread on SS parkas in the Ardennes, very few (reversible and Kharkov style) documented so far!Originally posted by Ohlau View PostComment
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These men never took place in the actual attack at Poteau. They arrived on the scene later that day together with the photographer. Those members of KG Hansen who did take part in the attack had already advanced towards Poteau by that time.Originally posted by Gran Sasso View Post
What are you talking about?Originally posted by Gran Sasso View Post
Again: the Poteau photos were not made in the morning.Originally posted by Gran Sasso View PostLast edited by Ruimteaapje; 03-03-2012, 09:08 AM.Comment
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The "rare improved scoutcar" is on the same roll of film as the Poteau photos. It isn't rocket science. All these photos are the work of one single photographer. Together with a cameraman he covered the advance of the Leibstandarte that day and they were captured shortly afterwards. That's why those photos showed up in allied media just a week after they were made. Not HJ, not Hungary, all Leibstandarte on December 18, 1944.Originally posted by Gran Sasso View Post
BTW, in December 1944 the Stabskompanie of the SS-Panzer-Aufklärungs-Abteilung 1 LSSAH had a Panzerspähzug with five Sd.Kfz. 234/1 (that's your "rare improved scoutcar") and three Sd.Kfz. 234/3.Last edited by Ruimteaapje; 03-03-2012, 09:06 AM.Comment
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Suddenly "Gran Sasso" is not interested anymore?Comment
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Hi,
many thanks for the additional infos, great work !
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In addition: the photographer was SS-Unterscharführer Max Büschel (of Kursk fame) and the cameraman an SS-Unterscharführer Schäfer. Both were captured by the Americans later that day, December 18, near Waimes with four undeveloped films.Comment
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So the summary is?
None is yet identified to have taken part in the ambush at Poteau?
Sorry for not understanding but Sadi Schneid is an author?
Elimar Schneider is a man who says he was at Poteau 1944 and is seen on several photos from the ambush?Last edited by PerMilitaria; 04-03-2012, 04:35 AM.Comment
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Hi,
for now, the units represented are quite well identified.
As is the SS-PK team.
The fight is also well known.
Elimar Schneider (who published his war story under the alias of "Sadi Schneid") is an alsacian enroled in the "Das Reich" who is claiming to be the famous guy in the pictures.
The problem is that no german soldier from the pictures and films is currently identified, and the "Elimar" guy is wearing too many decorations, the "Das Reich" fight area is far in the south of Poteau, and at that date he couldn't be there. As pointed by many WAF members in that topic, the story Elimar presented after the war is plain-nonsense.
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