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That seems to spell it out. A. Is for SS. B. For Heer.
That seems to spell it out. A. Is for SS. B. For Heer.
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have to say this sorry but this is becoming like the hounds tooth topic . still waiting on that ! . yet robert h shows one he found in hand from a ss estate ,Originally posted by Peter Manzie View Post
if you read the full page in the beaver book it all so says heer coats were used in change over , by the way i know peter did not start the hounds tooth flaw story !
with the coat its becoming pulling teeth . only problim with it is ,, should i say
maybe what peter is trying to say is its not a pure ss coat in a round about way ?
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Regs.
Where did you find that? I wish the whole reg. could be translated. Would make for interesting reading.Originally posted by J C Gray View Post
By the way, is there a reg. in that book for how many stitch rows are permitted on the black stripes of an SS armband? Specifically on the backside?
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hahaha you idiot!!
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Very interesting document that (at least in theory) states that the field gray "Fuhrer mantel der SS" (in 1940) was supposed to be made just like the black Algemeine version ! As it states:
"Der Feldgraue Mantel ist Ebenfalls In Schnitt bei Schwarzen Uniformmantel gehalten und in der gleichen ausfuhrung...(einteiligen Gurtel tragt, der an den beiden seiten aufgeknopft wird")
Thanks for sharing.
In practice however the vast majority of SS Fuhrer mantels (officer's quality greatcoats) followed Army pattern in regards to back belts as we all know (per Wewelbergs awesome example).
Here SS officers supervising an expansion construction project in the forest at Buchenwald concentration camp. Note both styles of back belts in the same image! (the WH pattern however again without dark green collar...!)Last edited by NickG; 06-24-2011, 06:03 PM.Comment
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The coat I checked THOROUGHLY today,same thread that holds the collar to coat is exact same thread holding cufftitle,eagle,tabs and chevron,all smell like hair when burned.The same thread also stitches the tailor tag on.And the name on it is definately been tehre forever.Its no doubt period,without a doubt.
Also feb.1940 is date it was made,The belt is a mute topic now MANY pics have surfaced with both types.Im discussing now that greatcoats worn before the 39 date by VT/SS men are army coats,as the specialized ss coat wasnt out until dec.39.So within such aa small region of time,teh army coat was all to get if you wanted teh green collar.All Im saying.Most pics Ive found have teh Heer belt with Vt pictures.th belt doesnt concern me.I know teh coat is army,but definately original with period attached insignia as Ive stated with thread comparisons etc etc,tailor tag,etc.
Im not concerned if teh coat itself is "SS" as this type of coat for SS was barely a fledgling at teh time coat was made.So in fact we are both right Peter,but ina different time frame.Also the coat at Collectors Guild is a HYBRID as its grey with the heer belt and abn officer!!! Holters did a lot of different things!!
Im just happy now finally with teh coat after a small break,its totall legit,in hand one could see that,as well as from these pics Id think.It is an army style coat made and tailored for an SS man,who wore it,and its early,and who can say its not beautiful!Comment
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Belts
Nick,Originally posted by NickG View Post
I see what you are saying, but so far most of the grey collar fuhrer mantels seem to use the army pattern from the photos. The 1940 version mantel would have the dark green collar and calls for the SS style belt per the reg. , or am I missing something? I am sure the army style belt was used by SS, but not per reg. after 1940. I would still love to see a post 39 green colllar SS mantel backside in a photo. The image of the distant guy (A) in that picture you just posted seems to have a green collar, no?.
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Yes its totally text book as per the comments, issues that you have raised on how it should have looked 100% text book (following the Algemeine style, a carry over)Originally posted by Peter Manzie View Post
Here's a green collar SS used coat with Army style back belt, more the norm (on right, other guy is EM).Last edited by NickG; 06-24-2011, 06:03 PM.Comment
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Nick
OK, thanks Nick and thanks again for digging up those photos.Originally posted by NickG View Post
I'm gonna have a beer now.Comment
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and again the text book SS style, usually seen on HIGH ranking officers (dress) over-coats
(not practical on field use military coats...more ornate...only the buttons keep it in place...
good for parade reviews!)Last edited by NickG; 06-24-2011, 06:07 PM.Comment
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VERY nice going Nick! Man your a photo finding wizard!!Comment
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I have as well some interesting SS regulations, also one when the tabs should get removed from all of the SS coats. But we know not all was always according to the regulations. Same as today's life.
For the Hounds $hit titles, I got at the Wilmington show a nice discussion and found piece about this matter. When the embroidery is right I would not step away from the so called Hounds $hit titles. That proves as well the same view from some other good known SS cloth collectors.Comment
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Nick, after a few beers, I thought of one last request. In your infinite collection of photos, do you have 1 photo of a 39/40 model "green " collar great coat image configured with allgemeine SS boards? The back belt is not important. A frontal shot is fine. PeterOriginally posted by wewelsburg View PostComment
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Yeah the one that started this thread.What is your point,is it soley to aggravate?You will never stop until this coat is in a photo,grow up.Comment
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I'm done on this thread when Nick or you post a period photo of a green collar great coat sporting allgemeine SS boards.Originally posted by wewelsburg View PostComment
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