Just arrived NAMED A-SS GREATCOAT fulda+werra

[PMan]

Other examples

Here is a period photo of the SS style back belt.

[PMan]

Another

One other.

[wewelsburg]

This is the correct belt configuration for the SS. Why Holters, the top tailor in German would make up an army style coat for an SS officer is a mystery to me. It may not be a mystery to others, but it is a mystery to me.

You sir are a mystery,a really weird one.

[wewelsburg]

Thanks peter,tell us something we didnt know.That YES is an SS greatcoat,ok?This again is an army style greatcoat with SS insignia.And my greatcoat is totally fake using GORGEUOS eagle,cufftitle,and the rest all textbook,PROPER name and rank and cufftitle,with matching tailor tabs all to teh same man,proper rank dates etc and done by someone who knows his stuff,and hes gonna miss something as simple as that right?Obviously a matter of choice as Judas said.Go back to making labcoats,yours had an army style pocket,thats why we found them fake.

[PMan]

Belt

You sir are a mystery,a really weird one.

No, not really, I just believe that all real SS great coats have that belt configuration. I call that a political style belt. You collect SA. Do you have an SA great coat with an army style back belt? Just curious. SA and SS should have the same political belt configuration. To me this was their unigue design element.

[Robert H]

Did anyone looked up the period photos in M.Beavers book? I see in there both variations. Nice Holters made coat, I have a black one filled with nice labels. Two boards are common to see from the early VT days. I have one green open neck tunic as well with two boards, know of other original tunics with pairs of such political SS boards and even we know those from period photos as well.
Nice cufftitle, one of my favorites

[wewelsburg]

IN THE BEAVER BOOK! what now Petey?

[derek]

"I just believe that all real SS great coats have that belt configuration"
I never cease to be amazed by the number of opinions posted in these threads that completely lack any photographic, documented or informed back-up.
Here, for example, is an image of members of the pre-war SS-TV who were issued with this style of overcoat replete with sewn-in SS-TV shoulderboards and collar piping.
Derek

[wewelsburg]

Case closed.Thank you Derek.No political style belt closure there Peterthere is your photo,Im sure many more out there in every style,and these arent one offs!.We all learn something,can we swallow our pride when were wrong is the difference.

[PMan]

Belt Configuration

Case closed.Thank you Derek.No political style belt closure there Peterthere is your photo,Im sure many more out there in every style,and these arent one offs!.We all learn something,can we swallow our pride when were wrong is the difference.

That's a photo I wanted to see. This seems to prove that both styles were worn and I cannot deni that. I still believe that the straight across style was unique to politcal troops and widely used by the SS starting from the Allgemeine SS which I believe used that style exclusively. Again, look at your SA greatcoats. I am sure you will find that style exclusively. Any other photos would be interesting to see. I think photos of the backside of people are not that common however. The best photo would be of an army greatcoat with the straight across politcal style. Then the case would be truely closed.

[PMan]

Beavers book

IN THE BEAVER BOOK! what now Petey?

What page would that be on?

[PMan]

Eagle

Are you retarded??Have you not seen high ranking dove grey Allgemeine SS uniforms before?Seyss Inquart comes to mind,SS mess dress,grey allgemeine unifroms had eagles. Or how about my cape?both allgemeine,your starting to sound silly now.ever saw HIMMLERS GREY UNIFORM BEFORE??OR HOWABOUT A GREY SD UNIFORM???


ALWAYS SOMEONE TO SPILL THE APPLECART.

Just touching back to the sleeve eagle. Read post 15 and 16 of the thread linked below. So I guess you are saying that the eagle is OK or do these 2 statements contradict one another?
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=523013

[Robert H]

chapter eleven: Overcoats

[PMan]

Beavers book

Yes, on page 484 it desribes the first pattern field grey overcoat using the single strap as in the officer example shown. The coat I own and the Fulda Werra are both first pattern field grey officer coats with green collars. It is interesting to see the other examples however. Could it be said then that only the SS wore this single strap design or was it also used on army greatcoats. I plan on checking that out.

[NickG]

The so called SS style half belts is nothing more than an "occasional" carry over from the black uniform regulations and therefore yes sometimes I guess also seen on field-gray SS overcoats that were privately tailored for officers. Its a personal preference matter I guess... Not a red flag!

In the armed SS (and even SS-VT) the "Army style" or what I would call "regular style" or "military style" half belt was way more common on field-gray overcoats (or for that matter all armed forces overcoats...) Example:
Second image =some men taken an oath with an officer on the right! Note half belts.

There is nothing wrong with Wewelsberg's overcoat!