SS Obersturmbannführer Karl Schulz Tunic

[PMan]

Piping

Is the runic tab an unusual variant? Also, it appears the piping around the runic is two twisted strands. Three is the norm. As a general question; is two twisted piping strands seen on period items?

How is the sleeve eagle? The wool backing looks a little rough around the edges.

I am not sure I agree with your assessment of the piping. It appears to be 3 strands. 2 stranded tabs definitely existed. There are several examples to be seen in various reference books. I have an allgemeine great coat from a vet that has it as well.
Peter

[Vet44]

Just made new images of the runic tab.

[jimt]

tunic

I have never seen this pattern runic tab before? Are there any other collectors that have this example in there collection? as original ? The way this tunic is put together seems very odd to me ? right or wrong it would not be for my collection . To many questions and no answers.

[Vet44]

it is certainly not a put together text book tunic.

[Naval Enigma]

Thanks Peter!

I can't tell if this is a two or three strand piped tab, but I have seen tabs with two strands and was wondering if that is seen on TR period tabs. I appreciate the information.

I am not sure I agree with your assessment of the piping. It appears to be 3 strands. 2 stranded tabs definitely existed. There are several examples to be seen in various reference books. I have an allgemeine great coat from a vet that has it as well.
Peter

[Naval Enigma]

it is certainly not a put together text book tunic.

Thank you for being generous with your tunic.

Would it be possible to photograph the underside of the collar where the tabs are sewn?

A nice photo of the underside of the shoulder boards would also be nice.

[Vet44]

I will do my best,
i cannot open the shoulderboards. The are stitched together..

[Vet44]

boards

[Vet44]

I think, the tabs were removed to put up the piping around.
They were then sewn back from hand.
This can be explained.His degradation was canceled in Holland 1944.

[John Pic]

Well if one studies the photographs of the Officers in pictures taken of the obscure SS units out there running the Einsatz operations in ghettos or in the field units, you see allot more substandard practices where it comes to uniforms...especially the wearing of non-sewn in shoulder boards, poorly placed insignias etc etc. There is an existing photo of an SD officer in an eight button tunic with a Runic tab for instance so sloppy sewing or an oddball tab ( no known similar fakes?)isnt a grounds to dismiss it.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Excuses

The list of excuses for this Tunic just crested 120!

[Vet44]

The list of excuses for this Tunic just crested 120!

"bad vibes, list of excuses is just crestet 120"

If you have something to say, then show us something about your knowledge.
I always read only badly contributions from you. Why, tell me what is a fake here..
I am happy to specialist teaching !!
Cheers Andi

[Dr. Strangelove]

Yes !

Yes, I give you Expert Advice, get your money back.

[Vet44]

Thank you for for advice Doctor,
maybe I do, but first I would like to hear from you why I would do that.
You mean because no name tag attached or because the insignia were sewn badly, this is a evidence that it does not Schulz tunic ?

[DonC]

Hi Andi -

I cannot say for certain that the tunic is original or not, nor if it actually belonged to Schulz. What I can say is that there are a number of concerns that have been expressed that would have to be answered if you were to ever have to sell the set. It looks like there is quite a bit of Schulz' paperwork floating around out there, so it is no beyond the pale to question whether or not the set was "married" at some point after the war. I hope you take this in the spirit that it was intended and not as an attack on you or the piece - I am just pointing out some of the questions as I see them.

Don