SS Obersturmbannführer Karl Schulz Tunic

[Vet44]

doubt is certainly right but the complete group is so sure that I have no doubt also in the tunic.

For example: duel pistols with award document:

<p><img src="http://s03.trixum.de/upload2/G/v/GvitHcKFOnp8130368133822P4279.jpg"></p><p><img src="http://s04.trixum.de/upload2/R/b/RbdJr1oi2was130368134168P4279.jpg"></p><p><img src="http://s03.trixum.de/upload2/e/4/e4H8s3cbNCLF130368134434P4279.jpg"></p><p><img src="http://s05.trixum.de/upload2/G/m/GmOBycFA3ksz130368135043P4279.jpg"></p><p><img src="http://s03.trixum.de/upload2/f/5/f5hir1D3caIG130368135451P4279.jpg"></p><p><img src="http://s03.trixum.de/upload2/I/O/IORSebQz93ao130368135796P4279.jpg"></p>

[Vet44]

Those are the best ones. I would like to know where it came from. As I said the biggest "danger" with these is that someone fines a paper lot and builds a tunic or adds a visor cap etc. The awards on the 1957 style ribbon bar are funky, the Luftschutz medal, double KVK, social welfare etc.

Luftschutz and social walfare ,ostmedaille, Ek ,includet the nsdap awards he has received.

[Naval Enigma]

Is the runic tab an unusual variant? Also, it appears the piping around the runic is two twisted strands. Three is the norm. As a general question; is two twisted piping strands seen on period items?

How is the sleeve eagle? The wool backing looks a little rough around the edges.

[Johnny R]

It is a great lot, I just think the tunic was partially restored and the ribbon bar post War. The same type of thin bar was worn on civilian suits for meetings of Vet groups after the War. Nice lot but I am not 100% on the tunic not being restored or made etc.

[Johnny R]

doubt is certainly right but the complete group is so sure that I have no doubt also in the tunic.

For example: duel pistols with award document:

<p><img src="http://s03.trixum.de/upload2/G/v/GvitHcKFOnp8130368133822P4279.jpg"></p><p><img src="http://s04.trixum.de/upload2/R/b/RbdJr1oi2was130368134168P4279.jpg"></p><p><img src="http://s03.trixum.de/upload2/e/4/e4H8s3cbNCLF130368134434P4279.jpg"></p><p><img src="http://s05.trixum.de/upload2/G/m/GmOBycFA3ksz130368135043P4279.jpg"></p><p><img src="http://s03.trixum.de/upload2/f/5/f5hir1D3caIG130368135451P4279.jpg"></p><p><img src="http://s03.trixum.de/upload2/I/O/IORSebQz93ao130368135796P4279.jpg"></p>

Fantastic items but they do not mean the tunic as is is period assembled.

[Vet44]

The quality of the stitching is done very badly.
No collector or dealer would be placed so the insignia.
I can prove it, unfortunately.

[John Pic]

The sleeve eagle is 100% original and appears to have only been sewn to this tunic.The runic tab appears to be an enlisted variant with piping added, the boards are heer boards not uncommonly used by SS officers and appear to be field make ups, the ribbons,well there are period photos of SS officers with sewn on ribbons. I would not dismiss this tunic as a put together absolutely until photos of him in a Waffen SS uniform surface.

[DonC]

Here's more Schulz documents for sale on the web: http://www.od43.com/SS-Ostubaf_Karl_Schulz.html

[Hundestaffel]

Would it be possible to post close-ups (obverse / reverse) of the photo seen with the "Lager Wildschutz" document ???


"Hundestaffel"

[Vet44]

Sorry, this is unfortunately not possible, but the document is original.

[Hundestaffel]

Sorry, this is unfortunately not possible, but the document is original.

That's unfortunate as this exact photo (or a copy of) was recently sold on militaria321 and was listed as an Officer of the SD (blank collar tab clearly to be seen).


"Hundestafffel"

[HouweTrouwe]

Here is a photograph:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...f=38&p=1476240

[Vet44]

The sleeve eagle is 100% original and appears to have only been sewn to this tunic.The runic tab appears to be an enlisted variant with piping added, the boards are heer boards not uncommonly used by SS officers and appear to be field make ups, the ribbons,well there are period photos of SS officers with sewn on ribbons. I would not dismiss this tunic as a put together absolutely until photos of him in a Waffen SS uniform surface.

I have letters showing that he was degraded several times.
During the operations in Russia he was a Oberscharführer
After being wounded, he came to Holland in the military hospital.
From there, there are letters in which he writes that he would like to get back his officer rank. In early 1945 he returned as a Obersturmbannführer to Litzmannstadt.
Perhaps for this reason, the collar tabs was added with a piping.

[Vet44]

Here is a photograph:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...f=38&p=1476240

Thank You , Houwe. Nice Job..
Interestingly, you can see that Schulz have a double kvk ribbon on his jacket .

[Bob Hritz]

I have seen ribbon bars with the KvK ribbons for both with and without swords.

Bob Hritz