I found out the vet had cut the eagle off for whatever reason,ill have it in hand tomorrow so Ill have a better feel.I'm the second owner I guess it went from the vet to Hayes to me.
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Originally posted by wewelsburg View PostI found out the vet had cut the eagle off for whatever reason,ill have it in hand tomorrow so Ill have a better feel.I'm the second owner I guess it went from the vet to Hayes to me.
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I got info today from a very very good source that cape length and collar style were left up to the officer,and it was permitted!Nice to know.Ill put up pics today if anyone is interested.I think Im gonna use the black sidecap to display it,like Eicke did.It just has a good "look" those pieces together.
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Originally posted by wewelsburg View PostI got info today from a very very good source that cape length and collar style were left up to the officer,and it was permitted!Nice to know.Ill put up pics today if anyone is interested.I think Im gonna use the black sidecap to display it,like Eicke did.It just has a good "look" those pieces together.
your cape hasnt been shortened, its been cut in half!
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yeah thats a long one!But it was up to officer,its like the short Dr,Jeckyll type,ya know like Jack the Ripper!I dont mind,I like it short,that would be my style If i wore one then!hahaCome t o find out its named to Obersturmbannfuhrer Drape of the SS-Hauptamt see teh post about label..http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=505892
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Originally posted by wewelsburg View Post...it was up to officer
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Originally posted by bwanek1 View PostSlight differences in cut/tailoring were acceptable for privately purchased uniforms, but there was not the sort of broad latitude you seem to think there was. The basic design specifications for uniforms were expected to be followed, regardless of where a uniform item was made, and specifications were published for tailors to follow. I refuse to believe that something this short would have been acceptable as an individual officer's expression of his personal style. After all, the word "uniform" tells you that the items are expected to be...well...uniform (meaning "the same").
The cape, with case, cost 24.90 RM It was intended to be worn off-duty only."
First of all what would be the point of shortening it besides for a "look" ?Most importantly of all the CAPE is to be worn OFF DUTY!!!that is in the original SS regulations,although we see them in pics worn on duty too..It is not a "uniform piece",so with an off duty piece i would say its perfectly fine.Do you think mess dress was a uniform?It was worn on occasions not for the front line,dont you think the word "style"comes into play ?Why do you think the evening dress looks so suave?That is the name of teh game for SS.?How many high officers had their own style uniform made for themselves?Regulations certainly could have been bent in this case more than a field uniform which I may add were shortened etc for Ems and not just for size! Ive seen many late officer uniforms cut to look like early M-37's!!Or french cuffs added when they shouldnt be worn.
We may never know but I think the shortening was done period,you can tell by thread and wear.The thread is different but still German thread and its been there.We can agree to disagree,post war or not it is a REAL and beautiful rare item in any state short or long,and I happen to think there is no problem with the length.Im happy with it,very infact,I got it for a super price and thats what counts right?BTW the cape in hand is much longer than it appears in the photos it goes down past my waist.Im 5'10.
Roberts quote says it all,mny items in collections,of all types there are oddities,and yes "broader"than this.
.Its nonsense to think regulations were kept that close,youve been in this hobby awhile Bwanek?How could you possibly say so,with anything in this hobby.I constantly see photos with odd uniforms non regulation on officers and EMs alike,Hitlers adjutant comes to mind with fancy uniforms that were non reg.,he was in Hitlers eye view and he wore what he wanted!you really think it mattered that much to high officers ?Maybe on parade.....In this case the cape was worn off duty for occasions,dinners etc,not standing at attention.I guess Ill have to disagree and not because I own it.I call it how I see it.Last edited by wewelsburg; 03-31-2011, 10:48 PM.
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Dont sweat it my friend you got a nice item for your collection...and you know the old saying about opinions.....anyway anyone with an inquiring mind open to observation and learning would probably know that the early Ss contained many ofiicers under 6' tall including the diminutive Sepp Dietrich himself..their capes would have been quite short to fit properly.
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Thank you John,your opinion means alot!
Anyhow just found out info on the owner,he ended the war as a Standartenfuhrer had teh TK ring and Honor sword.
DRAPE, Rudolf
(1895 - 19)
SS-Standartenführer/Oberst z.V.:
Born: 29.09.1895.
Died:
NSDAP-Nr.: 5 579 380/SS-Nr.: 289 244
Promotions:
SS-Staf.: 1.01.1940;
Assignments:
b. Stab SS-Abs. III: (9.11.1944)
Decorations & Awards:
1914 EK I: ; 1939 Spange zum 1914 EK II: ; 1914 EK II: ; KVK II m. Schw.: ;
Verwundetenabzeichen, 1918 in Silber;
Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer;R Ehrendegen des RF SS/Totenkopfring der SS.
and this:
Rudolf Drape Ministerialrat in Prussian Staatsministerium 1941 1944
Last edited by wewelsburg; 03-31-2011, 11:10 PM.
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Originally posted by wewelsburg View PostMost importantly of all the CAPE is to be worn OFF DUTY!!!that is in the original SS regulations,although we see them in pics worn on duty too..It is not a "uniform piece",so with an off duty piece i would say its perfectly fine.Do you think mess dress was a uniform?It was worn on occasions not for the front line,dont you think the word "style"comes into play ?Why do you think the evening dress looks so suave?That is the name of teh game for SS.?How many high officers had their own style uniform made for themselves?Regulations certainly could have been bent in this case more than a field uniform which I may add were shortened etc for Ems and not just for size! Ive seen many late officer uniforms cut to look like early M-37's!!Or french cuffs added when they shouldnt be worn.....In this case the cape was worn off duty for occasions,dinners etc,not standing at attention.I guess Ill have to disagree and not because I own it.I call it how I see it.
The cuts and design of uniforms change over time and, within reason, the wear of an older style beyond its official wear-out date could be overlooked. Subtle differences in tailoring/cut for personal taste/fit can also be tolerated. This design is neither of those cases, it is a radical departure from the norm.
Of course, for very senior-ranking officers, the rules did not apply. If this item belonged to an eccentric general, I agree that it is possible that he had this originally made to look like it does. I can't rule that out, but I still find it highly unlikely that someone would want a uniform "shawl." To me it looks like it was modified shortly after the war for someone else to use with civilian attire (maybe a woman or a child). That would also explain the removal of the swastika, to not offend the occupation forces.
Originally posted by wewelsburg View PostI guess Ill have to disagree and not because I own it.I call it how I see it.
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