"Happy Holidays!!!!"
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Good Riddance ...oh wait is he going to change his name and come back with another Tunic Scam?Comment
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I still love the theme...discussing the possibility of such EM conversion tunics, (WH or not). Maybe one day we'll see a real combat enlisted (SS pattern) tunic modified for officer use, which this WH one unfortunately pretended to be... with a fantasy story... oh well....Still a neat theme I think!
That "made up" representation/recreation of one still had character for me...
The way it was presented did not...REALLY too bad it turned out this way....
Anyway I still can't get enough of these non text-book combat tunics!
Here two more examples (which obviously inspired that TK re-creation!)
One day it will surface out of a musty duffle bag! That will make my day!
The saltier the better, with combat scars! So that "been there" look,
that this piece was "mimicking"! (imitate closely)Last edited by NickG; 11-25-2009, 01:38 AM.Comment
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For me the question was never about the possibility of an issue tunic being set up for an officer using EM insignia (except shoulder boards) as this was very common in both the Heer and the W-SS...based on period photos.Originally posted by NickG View Post
We don't see many of these around today because they were generally all worn in combat and on the backs of the officers that survived the war when they surrendered.....so they were trashed and not retained. This actually works out great because most collectors (at least REAL collectors) prefer the mint left at home items and not the things that were actually used in the war and show all of that nasty wear and tear.
It is interesting that all of the posted photos of W-SS officer conversions show that the original collars were retained and that the dark green collars were not added....sort of like why bother to add a dark green collar only to sew on EM collar insignia? I'm sure it was done but on the subject collar we have a near mint collar with dogged out tabs.Comment
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Why bother? Here's a theory: perhaps officers sometimes prefered converted enlisted collar tabs, so without the bullion and without the silver piping,Originally posted by phild View Post
(on enlisted tunics or officer pattern tunics or upgraded tunics with green collar), because it stands out too much...prefering gray SS runes (gray TK's) and simple officer pips on enlisted tabs...
The officer's shoulderboards would not be an issue as a smock (or parka) would cover those up in many cases...Last edited by NickG; 11-25-2009, 12:47 PM.Comment
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I can buy that. I guess what (really one of about 10 things) bothers me about the posted tunic is that adding a dark green collar to that Bozo Clown looking tunic with the crude sewn different color pockets is like putting a string of natural pearls necklace on a pig.Originally posted by NickG View Post
I realize that I can second guess something all day, but in the end all kinds of things could have been and in fact were done during the war that make little logical sense. Of course the evidence seems overwhelming that this particular tunic never had anything to do with the W-SS and for that matter I see no compelling reason to believe that it was Heer officer modified either....for that matter the collar may have been added 6 months ago.Comment
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I certainly hope Gary will not remove this thread. It should probably be pinned. We need to refer back to it when this tunic shows up on some Chicago dealer's site.Originally posted by mmurray306 View PostModerator,
Please end this thread and remove me from Wehrmacht Awards. I tried to make a point but did it poorly. Missed my mark. Apologize to forum members who I may of hurt. Many of you have vast knowledge of the subject and it is quite impressive. All I ask is keep an open mind. It was a big war. Thanks for your input. Take care forum members. Happy Holidays.
After all the crap that has recently occurred involving forum members, I certainly hope more people adopt the philosophy that all SS items (or TR in general for that matter) should be assumed fake until proven genuine.
Sure, I may miss out on that one in a million genuine "barn-find", but I save a lot of money by not buying SS lab coats and Frankies like this one.Comment
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I believe the average life expectancy of an officer SS on the eastern fron was just under two weeks, Im sure some SS officers wore more e/m items merely as a matter of survival, Russian snipers were well equipped to distinguish the officers from enlisted men, and anything that might draw attention away from an officer with some brains was probably a wise choice, just a thought.Originally posted by NickG View PostComment
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Another front smart officer with converted enlisted tabs
(like the faked tunic that started this thread).
Less "bling" when wearing a camo smock with such tabs exposed !
However the Knights cross on the other hand would still get a sniper's attention for sure!
Note Heer cap eagle!Last edited by NickG; 11-26-2009, 01:55 AM.Comment
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Mods, thanks for keeping this open. great edumacational
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I suppose when the insignia is removed these should gain title of this thread so for those that trade in them they do have a place of accepted originality.
And for those that enjoy these, good for you because you know what you like!Comment
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He does have bling on Sir as you've stated, those areinsignia accepted for use on the front. This officer is squared away as one would expect a combat seasoned vet such as Otto Kum and ther rest as seen to be.Originally posted by NickG View Post
Since these were often reapplied with the outer bullion cord when required, the cord could have been attached to remove as well so field to top command meetings. The insignia from the presented piece does not 'fit' for this class of soldier.
Granter lesser NCO/EM insignia was used and the few images we have of Heer insignia with SS ware in strange places to say the least so a point there, but the presented piece?
It is an interesting exercise doing this to say the least.
Got a match
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