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    #31
    Originally posted by Waffenreich View Post
    From the guys who I knew who lived in Germany back then finding stuff sticking out of junk piles on driveways wasn't that uncommon. If a family was throwing something out I don't think they'd take a second or two to remove a set of boards. The problem is as they are removable and stories aren't worth pooh so I might have a hard time convincing anybody this is/could be a W-SS riding tunic.

    If I could find a nice W-SS officer's buckle I'd keep it

    In any case I appreciate your comment.
    I lived in Germany when we were still finding things like this in the junk. It was common for a family to throw things out that a Vet had kept until he died. Normally 30 seconds after they put them ii n the ground this stuff was out the door. I can tell you stories that will make you cry about tunics and documents etc. being burned and thrown away etc. If you found a tunic whole usually the only thing that was removed ever was the eagle. I would suspect if your friend found the tunic this way the boards were on it it was used by and SS officer. The waffenfarbe certainly makes sense. I think this may be a riding jacket not a summer jacket, after looking in my books and thinking about it for several days I now will side with you saying this is likely to be an SS officers jacket.

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      #32
      what book did you copy for the photo ? Credit the source unless you wrote the book. Common courtesy sense most copyrighted authors expect at least to be asked before having their material copied.
      Last edited by Mark C. Yerger; 06-19-2009, 10:55 AM.

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        #33
        Mark, I agree

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          #34
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            #35
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              #36
              Uniforms, Organization, & History of the Waffen-SS, Roger James Bender & Hugh Page Taylor. Is that sufficient??

              Nothing substantive to say on the subject at hand so you rag me on my crediting?

              BTW, Thanks for the post John! Makes you wonder just how much good stuff was chucked-out by families



              Originally posted by Mark C. Yerger View Post
              what book did you copy for the photo ? Credit the source unless you wrote the book. Common courtesy sense most copyrighted authors expect at least to be asked before having their material copied.

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                #37
                That still happens here in the USA. There are some that dont even know people collect this stuff, believe it or not.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by juoneen View Post
                  That still happens here in the USA. There are some that dont even know people collect this stuff, believe it or not.
                  I believe it. Believe me, everytime I drive by a pile of junk near someone's house on trash day I'm hoping to see a tunic sleeve or big red binder poking out

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                    #39
                    [quote=Waffenreich;3326838]Uniforms, Organization, & History of the Waffen-SS, Roger James Bender & Hugh Page Taylor. Is that sufficient??

                    Nothing substantive to say on the subject at hand so you rag me on my crediting? [quote]

                    I write books so those who don't but scan and use them without permission I have a problem with. It's called copyright. Yes, that's substantial, but thanks for the moronic reply typical of those who assume owning a book copy gives them copyright ownership. But why bother having common accepted (legal) courtesy when being a thief takes less effort (like the effort to write a book which you obviously haven't).

                    Robert H: thanks for the agreement and support
                    Last edited by Mark C. Yerger; 06-20-2009, 01:28 AM.

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                      #40
                      Mark,

                      We're all fortunate that you take the time to write books as I'm sure many benefit from the info you lay out in them, and I mean that sincerely. One thing I don't remember doing though in my response to your other post was hurling insults at you. My use of the uncredited pic was an oversight and I corrected it promptly. Saying my response was "moronic" and calling me a thief implies I'm a moron and a dishonest person which quite frankly I find totally offensive and unwarranted. I personally do not insult people here and would expect at least the same as a reciprocal courtesy. If you want to insult me save it for a PM (or better yet in person) as I've got a few things I'd like to say to you. The point of this Thread was to exchange some thought regarding this type of tunic. I've seen none of the "experts" show-up which I find really disappointing.

                      Hopefully I'll see a PM from you soon.

                      Regards!

                      Bob



                      [QUOTE=Mark C. Yerger;3326951][quote=Waffenreich;3326838]Uniforms, Organization, & History of the Waffen-SS, Roger James Bender & Hugh Page Taylor. Is that sufficient??

                      Nothing substantive to say on the subject at hand so you rag me on my crediting?

                      I write books so those who don't but scan and use them without permission I have a problem with. It's called copyright. Yes, that's substantial, but thanks for the moronic reply typical of those who assume owning a book copy gives them copyright ownership. But why bother having common accepted (legal) courtesy when being a thief takes less effort (like the effort to write a book which you obviously haven't).

                      Robert H: thanks for the agreement and support

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                        #41
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                        "Nothing substantive to say on the subject at hand so you rag me on my crediting?"

                        Having an author point out that you were in violation of copyright laws in not a "rag" on you.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Ilse View Post
                          "Nothing substantive to say on the subject at hand so you rag me on my crediting?"

                          Having an author point out that you were in violation of copyright laws in not a "rag" on you.

                          Correct. Likewise I didn't appreciate the attitude expressed when my point made.

                          Make whatever cmments or point you want about whatever item. "Rag on me about my crediting" when you didn't I resented as well.

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                            #43
                            Yeah, I agree, bad form on my part on both accounts, initial remarks and hoisting the pic from the book. So you are 100% correct and next time I use a photo I will cite it appropriately. Hopefully you'll reconsider on your comments as they were just downright insulting, then maybe we can move on from here with learning from eachother.

                            Regards!

                            Bob

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Waffenreich View Post
                              Yeah, I agree, bad form on my part on both accounts, initial remarks and hoisting the pic from the book. So you are 100% correct and next time I use a photo I will cite it appropriately. Hopefully you'll reconsider on your comments as they were just downright insulting, then maybe we can move on from here with learning from eachother.

                              Regards!

                              Bob
                              Agreed and accepted. If you have an item and anything I've done can illustrate your question/comment, just ask or credit name and book when you scan and post. Many who write make a living from it. It's a point legally and socially, as well as courtesy.

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                                #45
                                Thanks Mark and understand completely. Normally I'm the type of guy that gives credit where credit's due, just brain farted in this case. I posted pics from Prodgers RAF/Luft flight gear book 2 weeks ago and cited, don't know why I didn't in this case. Lesson learned and I'm not a repeat mistake kind of guy.

                                Regards!!

                                Bob



                                Originally posted by Mark C. Yerger View Post
                                Agreed and accepted. If you have an item and anything I've done can illustrate your question/comment, just ask or credit name and book when you scan and post. Many who write make a living from it. It's a point legally and socially, as well as courtesy.

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